Yep NATO expansion and coups can go on just so far.
They knew ukraine was a red line bcs NATO nukes there are too close to defend from.
And they are actually defending not only themselves but also the ethnic Russian (ex)ukrainians since nobody in the west cared when the US funded trained and armed the fascists that terrorised them for 8 years.
Maybe you get some perspective, I can hear your propaganda nonsense every day in any western MSN.
LOL
There hasn’t been a ukraine since the fascist coup where the US regime literally chose who would run that proxy state.
And then broke the Minsk treaties over and over
No, but they did promise protection. So far, there has been no protection given, only money.
Problem with talking about USA in this conflict is everytime immediately assumes that anyone accusing USA of anything is automatically supporting Russia.
To the last ukrainian as Lindsey Graham or even Soros in 93’ said.
The US doesn’t care about their sucker proxies when they have served their use.
Just like the Kurds and many others.
just tons and tons of ordinance, from the javelins that stopped the taking of Kiev to the artillery, apcs, aircraft and munitions for everything from autocannons to patriots, yeah, no protection whatsoever.
problem with talking about USA in this conflict are the spineless fucks who keep undermining our support to appease PUTIN. Ukraine deserves more, but we’re stymied by the kompromised members of our government.
the spineless fucks who keep undermining our support to appease PUTIN. Ukraine deserves more, but we’re stymied by the kompromised members of our government.
didn’t you comprehend pardner? too many big words?
Oh and I assume you’re gonna sign up because otherwise you’re just volunteering other people’s kids for combat. for that matter, why didn’t you go? you can go today if you have such a hardon for getting into the fight.
The US/UK NATO have been supporting nazis since WW2.
Operation Aerodynamic specifically for ukraine to cause trouble.
It has always been a strategy and a goal to hurt Russia who they never forgave for beating their fascists.
The horrible Brezinksky doctrine of the US regime followed that line.
" “Even without the Baltic states and Poland, a Russia that retained control over Ukraine could still seek to be the leader of an assertive Eurasian empire… But without Ukraine and its 52 million fellow Slavs, any attempt by Moscow to rebuild the Eurasian empire was likely to leave Russia entangled alone in protracted conflicts with the nationally and religiously aroused non-Slavs"
From 2014 when they fist tried regime change with the horrible Yuchenko:
The Stratfor news web site, which has close links to the American intelligence apparatus, revived this analysis following the recent struggle for power in Ukraine. In an analysis of recent events, Stratfor concludes that the secession of Ukraine not only weakens Moscow with regard to foreign policy, but also, “without Ukraine, Russia’s political, economic and military survivability are called into question.” The Stratfor report continues: “To say Russia is at a turning point is a gross understatement. Without Ukraine, Russia is doomed to a painful slide into geopolitical obsolescence and ultimately, perhaps even non-existence.”
After that the people voted this puppet out since they knew they had been conned.
After which the US sent billions via NED and other ways to destabilise the country and fund fascists.
This led to the coup.
None of which warrant annexing and invading another country, destroying civilian infrastructure, forced naturalization, etc.
It seems to me that an escalation to war was a desperate move. A weak move at that.
Your description makes it sound like the school bully got it’s feelings hurt as everyone started calling them names in the yard. Knowing that it’s days of influence are behind them, the next day the bully returned to school with a gun…
annexing and invading another country, destroying civilian infrastructure, forced naturalization, etc.
Sounds like you deepththroated the propaganda BS.
Ansd all the rest sounds like frustration from a Russophobe that can’t get over NATO and the western vasals losing.
Anyway, not worth my time responding to nonsense.
I have no hand in this game. I just see the basic facts. One of them is the invader. The other is the invaded. Regardless of what else is occurring, nothing has convinced me that the invaders were doing it out of goodness of their hearts. Being on Lemmy I’ve heard a lot from all sides. I’m not on anyone’s side but I can tell you the invaders were the aggressor. You can paint whatever picture you want, but it’ll always be one invaded the other.
You’re like those hasbara snakes who starts counting from oct 7 you start counting from when Russia finally intervened.
Where were all those people when those nazis burnt 47 people alive bcs they protested the coup in Odessa in 2014?.
And somehow they missed the 8 years of ethnic cleansing and bombing of civilians too.
Typical western hypocrites with their selective indignation.
Bye now
The sad thing is that people think things like that warrants all out war. How many more people need to die in order to prevent people from dieing? It’s a fallacy, and I don’t believe for a second that this war is based on saving lives.
yeah russia sure is defending the shit out of itself invading ukraine.
I get it, western countries bad, but for fucks sake have a bit of perspective.
Yep NATO expansion and coups can go on just so far.
They knew ukraine was a red line bcs NATO nukes there are too close to defend from.
And they are actually defending not only themselves but also the ethnic Russian (ex)ukrainians since nobody in the west cared when the US funded trained and armed the fascists that terrorised them for 8 years. Maybe you get some perspective, I can hear your propaganda nonsense every day in any western MSN.
lol, russia invading has gassed nato expansion to countries that never considered it before. Putin’s a better recruiter for NATO than anyone else.
yes, hence the budapest memorandum, where RUSSIA GUARANTEED UKRAINE’S SECURITY IN EXCHANGE FOR THEIR NUKES, YOU GODDAMN DOLT.
sure thing, kremlin mouthpiece. how much do they pay you for suborning your own country? chode
NATO expansionism is the root cause of this war. NATO instigated this war and Russia got baited.
lol. only took one comment. Scratch a tankie and a vatnik bleeds?
Better red than a dirty fascist.
You wolfsangel and swastika wearers will go down the way your granpa’s went the first time.
ROFLS you really believe that huh?
even after russia guaranteed ukraine’s security in the budapest memorandum?
wow. amazing.
LOL
There hasn’t been a ukraine since the fascist coup where the US regime literally chose who would run that proxy state.
And then broke the Minsk treaties over and over
Removed by mod
Sure won’t question the mods when they let this unhinged scumbags throw insults like that.
LOL I’m Belgian.
Got you all in a frenzy I see, unstable as expected
So did USA.
The US invaded Ukraine?
Sorry, that didn’t happen.
No, but they did promise protection. So far, there has been no protection given, only money.
Problem with talking about USA in this conflict is everytime immediately assumes that anyone accusing USA of anything is automatically supporting Russia.
To the last ukrainian as Lindsey Graham or even Soros in 93’ said.
The US doesn’t care about their sucker proxies when they have served their use.
Just like the Kurds and many others.
Yeah. But the public is stupid enough to be brainwashed into thinking that the war was just and needed.
just tons and tons of ordinance, from the javelins that stopped the taking of Kiev to the artillery, apcs, aircraft and munitions for everything from autocannons to patriots, yeah, no protection whatsoever.
problem with talking about USA in this conflict are the spineless fucks who keep undermining our support to appease PUTIN. Ukraine deserves more, but we’re stymied by the kompromised members of our government.
LOL what a joke
such an outstanding reply, loaded with insight and wisdom.
a belgian quisling… now that’s fuckin funny
That’s my whole point, only money has been given. US troops should have been deployed to Ukraine.
LOL sure start WW3, smart
Silly vatnik, get your kremlin talking points right.
what fuckin part about
didn’t you comprehend pardner? too many big words?
Oh and I assume you’re gonna sign up because otherwise you’re just volunteering other people’s kids for combat. for that matter, why didn’t you go? you can go today if you have such a hardon for getting into the fight.
https://www.ildu.com.ua/
something tells me you won’t, and tells me you probably never served a moment before this either.
I’ll bite. In the 5 years leading up to Russia invading Ukraine, what did NATO do that warrants such a move by Russia?
The US/UK NATO have been supporting nazis since WW2.
Operation Aerodynamic specifically for ukraine to cause trouble.
It has always been a strategy and a goal to hurt Russia who they never forgave for beating their fascists.
The horrible Brezinksky doctrine of the US regime followed that line.
" “Even without the Baltic states and Poland, a Russia that retained control over Ukraine could still seek to be the leader of an assertive Eurasian empire… But without Ukraine and its 52 million fellow Slavs, any attempt by Moscow to rebuild the Eurasian empire was likely to leave Russia entangled alone in protracted conflicts with the nationally and religiously aroused non-Slavs"
From 2014 when they fist tried regime change with the horrible Yuchenko:
The Stratfor news web site, which has close links to the American intelligence apparatus, revived this analysis following the recent struggle for power in Ukraine. In an analysis of recent events, Stratfor concludes that the secession of Ukraine not only weakens Moscow with regard to foreign policy, but also, “without Ukraine, Russia’s political, economic and military survivability are called into question.” The Stratfor report continues: “To say Russia is at a turning point is a gross understatement. Without Ukraine, Russia is doomed to a painful slide into geopolitical obsolescence and ultimately, perhaps even non-existence.”
After that the people voted this puppet out since they knew they had been conned.
After which the US sent billions via NED and other ways to destabilise the country and fund fascists.
This led to the coup.
None of which warrant annexing and invading another country, destroying civilian infrastructure, forced naturalization, etc.
It seems to me that an escalation to war was a desperate move. A weak move at that.
Your description makes it sound like the school bully got it’s feelings hurt as everyone started calling them names in the yard. Knowing that it’s days of influence are behind them, the next day the bully returned to school with a gun…
Sounds like you deepththroated the propaganda BS.
Ansd all the rest sounds like frustration from a Russophobe that can’t get over NATO and the western vasals losing.
Anyway, not worth my time responding to nonsense.
Keep yourself together now.
I have no hand in this game. I just see the basic facts. One of them is the invader. The other is the invaded. Regardless of what else is occurring, nothing has convinced me that the invaders were doing it out of goodness of their hearts. Being on Lemmy I’ve heard a lot from all sides. I’m not on anyone’s side but I can tell you the invaders were the aggressor. You can paint whatever picture you want, but it’ll always be one invaded the other.
You’re like those hasbara snakes who starts counting from oct 7 you start counting from when Russia finally intervened.
Where were all those people when those nazis burnt 47 people alive bcs they protested the coup in Odessa in 2014?.
And somehow they missed the 8 years of ethnic cleansing and bombing of civilians too.
Typical western hypocrites with their selective indignation.
Bye now
The sad thing is that people think things like that warrants all out war. How many more people need to die in order to prevent people from dieing? It’s a fallacy, and I don’t believe for a second that this war is based on saving lives.