We are just finding out about a child sex trafficking ring involving politicians and billionaires, the world’s richest man does a Nazi salute at a political rally, and the President being an adjudicated sex criminal is probably not the worst thing he has done…
Meanwhile I’m standing here in the checkout line feeling guilty about whether or not I should tip a barista
Something is wrong with our collective notion of morality, and my individual understanding (Oh well, here we are)
And lots of employers will refuse to pay more than the tipped rate on slow days stealing wages from the workers if they think they can get away with it.
You wish they did because then you’d have a easy lawsuit with plenty of lawyers willing to take that case. “lots of employers will refuse to pay” is a straight lie, employers are happy to pay the wage if you dont get any tips. Its still min wage and min wage is fuck all.
You missed this apparently.
If they think they can get away with it doesnt matter. Obviously the only people commiting wage theft are the ones who think they can get away with it. Its up to the employee to ensure they do not get away with it.
Placing the blame on the victim to not be taken advantage of instead of blaming the one who is taking advantage of others is myopic as fuck.
No where did I blame victims. The original post made the claim that a lot of employers will refuse to pay. I said no a lot of employers wont do that because they would get sued out the ass. He said “if they think they can get away with it” which is a redundant statement, no employer who doesnt think they will get away with wage theft is going to still commit it. So then the original argument is still a lot of employers do not commit wage theft because they would get sued if they did. Employees should continue to take legal actions against employers who do not pay.
To think that employees standing up for their legal rights is victim blaming or licking capitalist boots is braindead.
This is literally victim blaming.
You literally do not understand the mechanisms behind systemic exploitation.
The original claim wasn’t that they will simply just “refuse to pay”, it is that they will take advantage of the convoluted system in order to exploit the vulnerable and desperate workers they are responsible for.
Trusting the legal system that was designed and run by capitalists to uphold the interest of workers is braindead bootlicking. Literally. Fuck off your naive bullshit.
No its not. Crime is not magically detected by the all seeing eye. If someone commits a crime against you then its in your best interest to report it because it sure wont be the criminal who is reporting it.
Even if this is what I said (which it isnt) that still doesnt give a reason why employees shouldnt seek legal recourse and it just proves what I am saying even more. IF employers were so confortable explotiing this system then the only reason that would be is because they dont expect the workers to take any action against them. You’re the only one here saying workers should take no action against their employer who is taking their wages. Actually in one of your comments you said they should “protest until the boss wont do it anymore” which is a terrible suggestion.
You’re intentionally trolling and im done feeding you.
Bud you think fraud doesn’t happen? How naive are you? Businesses will happily commit fraud if they think they can get away with it. And they do, routinely.
Do you seriously think that I believe that fraud doesnt happen? What would give businesses the impression that they can commit fraud? Oh it would be people not suing the fuck out of them.
If its a slow day and your employer doesnt pay you the legal min wage then you sue them. Its that simple. You dont turn around and act like getting no tips that day was the reason you made $2.
You don’t get paid daily, dipshit. What gives them the impression they can get away with it is because they rely on a convoluted system to obscure their fraud against vulnerable, such as the youth who do not fully understand their rights as workers, and the desperate who are taking bottom of the barrel jobs to make ends meet and don’t want to risk putting their lifeline in jeopardy to stand up for their rights. A legal battle takes time, but rent is due and the fridge is empty right now.
Jesus Christ, you are naive. Holy fuck you’re not even worth talking to. Fuck off with your myopic victim blaming rhetoric.
Is it really as simple as using your not money that you weren’t paid to hire a lawyer, take off of work for even less money to sue your employer?
Where my “that was easy” button, I’m dying to press it.
For a wage theft case you would not need to pay a lawyer. There are plenty of lawyers that seek out these cases and pay themselves off the settlement. You would need to do is book a meeting and explain the case and show up in court once if you boss was stupid enough to fight it. Thats not a wildly impossible set of steps to take.
Also, a lot of states are right to work states, which is exactly what it doesn’t sound like. What do you think happens when my employer finds out Im bringing a lawsuit against them?
What the fuck is your point? “What happens if they find out im suing them” If your employer doesn’t pay you correctly and then fires you when you seek legal action they are fucked under the Fair Labor Standards Act. They’ve just increased their fine from up to 10k to add another 25k.
I actually perplexed why people are pushing back against my claim that people should seek to protect their federally protected work rights. The examples that have been brought up are open and shut cases that will be picked up by any law firm and they will sue for recomp + damages + lawyer fees. Yes its “harder” than doing nothing, but by doing nothing you do not fix the problem and continue to be exploited. There is no magic eye that can perfectly detect illegal activity its up to the victim to come forward and make their case thats how law works in our society.
Lol if it was that simple, wage theft wouldn’t exist. These corporations can afford to steal your money, have calculated the risk, and continue to steal money.
They’re not going to write down “brought lawsuit” they’re going to find an arbitrary reason, or better yet write down “I didn’t like that person” because it’s a right to work state and even in non right to work states, labor protection is dogshit.
Jesus christ. No they dont. There’s more than enough dolts like you being employed in an unskilled trade industry for shit wages that has minimal overhead as it is so stealing your wage via tips would mean the restaurant is not going to be in business for long. Its not your employer’s job to babysit your paycheck. If you arent reporting discrepancies, thats on you. Noone is guna keep working at a place that isnt paying employees what their owed. Especially not in an industry where the wage floor is so low and the employment is so heavily driven by word of mouth.
Why the hostility and insults to
unskilledessential workers? Those jobs are often worked at by young workers who don’t necessarily know their rights. I agree it’s bad business practice to do it but it absolutely happens.LOL Yes, it literally is.
Nice insult, very constructive. What would the capitalist business owners do without people like you putting down workers and defending their shitty business practices? Also ah yes it is the workers fault for that they are getting wages stolen from them not the owner’s or manager’s.
Got a love all the victim blaming going on in this thread right mate? I seriously don’t get these people who bend over backwards to lick capitalist boots.
Also stealing wages via tips is different than not paying the difference between tipped min wage and regular minimum wage when there isn’t much business. Maybe there was some confusion on your part about what I was referring to there.
Both are forms of wage theft and both do happen, but I wasn’t referring to stealing tips in my OC. Perhaps I could’ve worded my comment better to make that clearer.