Even that’s not fair since efficiency isn’t the same thing as road usage. And one of the reasons gas taxes cover so little of the cost of roads is efficiency improvements over the last few decades.

Even before you take EVs into account, taxing by weight and mileage is more fair.

Then when you do take EVs into account, how do you adjust for usage, for road damage, and for your choice of vehicles? Is it fair to charge the same for a monstrous Hummer EV as for a Peugeot city car? Is it fair to pay the same for your Tesla driving 10k/year as for an ICE BMW of the same weight driving 30k/year? Taxing by weight and mileage is more fair for everyone

That’s insane. Either Chevy is really shitty at building EVs or those are two very different vehicles with the same name

Still don’t think that’s representative

The difference is usually (but not in all states) which party’s primary you can vote in.

I’m registered Democrat which means I can vote to select which candidates the Democratic Party is sponsoring

Doesn’t that cover healthcare for the millions of people losing Medicaid and ACA plans?

Trying to find actual twins with actual data ….

First result is Hyundai Kona, with listed curb weight EV is 550 pounds heavier

I doubt it. I see the same thing in ai search results but on reading it, it actually says EV weight not posted and it estimates 1,500 pounds.

I tried looking up the vehicle and sure enough, weight not listed.

But the reason I doubt that estimate is a Tesla battery weighs about 1,200 pounds depending on model, and EVs typically save some of that weight from the engine and transmission.

I know an Equinox EV isn’t very efficient but I have a hard time believing that it adds more weight than an entire Tesla battery pack, saving nothing by removing engine and transmission …. Unless it’s not at all the same vehicle

No, this is BS. Type of vehicle matters much more than whether it’s an EV or not. My EV is lighter than the thousands of pickups I see every day so it’s unreasonable to make the argument that EVs are heavier.

Plus it’s specious to argue how much more damage an EV does to the road at something like +20% weight when trucks cause thousands of times the damage. Unless that EV is adding 40 tons, it’s effectively the same as any other car: orders of magnitude more than bicycles and orders of magnitude less than trucks

Just go by weight. It doesn’t matter where that weight is from or what technology makes up that weight

While I understand they’re paranoid about losing the gas tax when we transition to EVs, it really grinds my gears that I’ve never once seen one of these proposals to fairly tax all vehicles by means other than gas tax. EVs should not be treated as special and certainly shouldn’t be discouraged with higher taxes

Many US states also have annual inspections, although I don’t know about Oregon. They could uneasily record annual Miles here, although the objection is that is overall miles, not miles on state roads, and it only works for cars registered in the state.

While a small number of people may cheat by driving out of state cars, I think this is highly discouraged by insurance civerage

Right I was trying to get that across. Their logic is why should you waste my money on something not required to live. But the answer is because I’m human.

Yes and no. The problem is too much of the world is unnecessarily built that way. This is one of the fundamental reasons why it will take so long to implement: we need to change where people prefer to live.

Note I said “prefer” before y’all get up in arms about forcing people to move. We’ve spent way too many years giving rural people a lot of the same infrastructure as urban people and it’s just not sustainable. The thing is that even relatively small towns can have denser walkable areas and useful transit. Without forcing anyone to uproot, we ought to be able to get a good 80% or more of the population to not require a car.

EVs still need the same infrastructure as ICE vehicles

Hmmm, I haven’t taken mine to a gas station in two years. I must be way overdue.

Now I know you’re moving the goalposts to roads when I was talking gasoline industry, but let me point out where I started

While I completely agree transit, and walkable cities are much better, EVs are not nothing.

More importantly I do live in a partly walkable town. I do use transit when I can. And yes I have the privilege of living in one of the few parts of the US where intercity rail is decent

While I can see the need for qualified immunity, the problem is “qualified”. It’s not called “blanket immunity”, so why do they get away with treating it as such? Lying to deprive someone of human rights should not be “qualified”

If you need help covering your basic food intake, it’s a poor choice to spend it on a “luxury”. Or if you can afford to waste money on a luxury, you clearly don’t need help with your basic food intake take.

Yeah that ignores that people aren’t machines, but there’s a logic to it, ven without blaming it on puritanism

EVs are about 20% heavier than the equivalent gas powered car and offer the same utility.

Full sized pickup trucks are 50-100% heavier than cars, are the most common vehicle in most of the US, and is “ usually just carrying 80kg of spongy meat.”. They are usually exactly the same levels of utility, plus don’t have any environmental benefits

Speaking from the US, we’re clearly not yet all in on EVs and we just killed funding for transit and intercity rail. And they’re trying to remove fuel efficiency standards altogether. We are 30 years ago and regressing fast.

Transit and intercity rail are receding into some future utopian fever dream but some of us can still choose EVs

Even here in a walkable town with good transit, I still need a car so an EV is what I can do.

If you were really concerned about higher vehicle weight, trucks are much worse so let’s start there

Electric vehicles

• eliminate tailpipe emissions
• cut brake dust emissions in half
• pollute less as we transition to renewable energy
• let us work toward elimination the huge polluting industries for gasoline refining and distribution
• let us shrink the huge polluting industries of oil extraction and refining
• are a huge step toward slowing the growth of climate change.

While I completely agree transit, and walkable cities are much better, EVs are not nothing. More importantly, given the amount of time to build transit and walkable cities, EVs get us many of the advantages NOW

B or N. They’re simple and effective, grounded but optionally, but most importantly you can fit two in a small space.

I can’t tell if N is polarized though, so B is the boss