You’re too daft to understand context. I’m done debating with a wall.

The argument saying there are peer reviewed studies was not the argument I made. You’re strawman game is weak dude.

That wasn’t my argument, that was someone else. I’m just shitting on your response to them instead of doing the bare amount of research.

My whole point is, kids are coming out with less computer knowledge as a whole. Maybe they know more on mobile devices than older generations, but I’d argue that’s not even true compared to millennials who were also in the prime of smart phones and tablets hitting the market. The difference is millennials also know how to use workstations, making them more tech literate. Having skills on just mobile devices is very sandboxed and remedial. It’s not noteworthy in the slightest. Being able to work with a desktop OS, understanding a file system, and troubleshooting are tech skills that you get generations don’t have, making them less tech literate.

Not knowing how to use a mouse is hyperbole for not knowing how to use a computer, but also, if you can’t use a mouse, you can’t use a workstation computer. Knowing how to navigate a mobile device does not make someone tech literate. In general it stunts computer skills, because there’s minimal tech knowledge required to download an app from a curated store or watching tik tok.

You’re proving our point in the second paragraph. Yea, kids aren’t being taught computer skills. Not knowing the fundamentals of how to use a workstation is a problem and it is causing a regression in technological literacy in society.

Young people tend to be more interested in phone and tablets than ever before. Some for sure are into workstations, but that is not the norm. Id argue less kids percentage wise are spending time on computers daily than 15-20 years ago. Everything is done on iPads or phones in schools, until college. Even if you didn’t want to, back in the day you had to know how to navigate a complex operating system, save files to removable storage, download files and install them, and a plethora of other seemingly simple skills, and that’s not happening now.

If you work in IT or around youth entering the workforce, it’s extremely clear that tech literacy is worse now than it was a decade ago, or at least it is as a millennial that bridged that gap and can clearly see the difference. I can see if someone is younger than millennials why they wouldn’t be able to see that difference, because they are in that demographic.

It would take 5 seconds to do a Google search for millennials and technology and find a couple studies on the topic. It isn’t some secret that’s being hidden and it’s easily accessible. Perhaps your inability to find these studies is the proof that tech literacy has degraded.

Most people, regardless of age, have never been able to rebuild a transmission. That has never been a generation defining skill. It was only car enthusiasts, and more specifically motorheads, that has those skills. Did more older folks know how to work on their cars then today’s youths? Likely. At the same time modern cars are vastly more complex that cars of old. Almost none of those old hats would know the first thing about rebuilding a modern transmission, and the ones that do probably don’t have all of the special equipment needed to do it. If we include gender to this equation, what percentage of women in the general population do you think knew anything about working on cars? There were some, but I’d wager that is a really low percentage.

Your much older brother is an anomaly. There are exactly 0 people that I know that are 50+ years old that would know anything about fixing a TV. That is not a skill that a relatively large amount of people ever learned. I know many people that could identify a blown cap, and maybe with the advent of YouTube, could maybe figure out how to desolder and replace that component. Like with the cars, having skills in electrical engineering was never a generation defining trait.

Computers from the early 90’s+ have always been more complicated than old cars and TVs. Being able to do basic things on early PCs required more skills to the end user than knowing how to drive a car or use a TV. It was all new and nothing like anything before them. Cars were preceded by other ground transportation and TVs by radios for many years and knowing how to operate them at a basic level has always been relatively simple. Computers continued to evolve at an exponential rate in capabilities and complexity and if you grew up with them in your prime years, you had to be able to keep up.

Driving cars and using (dumb) TVs is very similar to how it was 70+ years ago. The invention and roll out of these to the masses took place over decades from when they first became available and during that time they were basically the same devices to the end user. Turn a switch and the TV powers on and you turn a knob to change the channel. With a car, you put in the key, put it in gear, gas in the right break on the left, maybe clutch on the far left. That is all most people needed to know, with specialist knowing more. That is very different from computers. Just turning on a computer didn’t do anything useful. It wasn’t intuitive to figure out and required reading a troubleshooting. That’s what every user had to experience, not just the specialists. The 90’s through 00’s brought with it significant changes in computers. It was a true technological renaissance and it took place over about 10-15 years which is when millennials grew up. That short amount of time and that much change isn’t remotely comparable to the slow and simple changes of past technologies.

If you don’t host Bitwarden and use the extension, it pretty much is that easy out of the box. Some pages are ass and Bitwarden won’t detect a login form, but in my experience, 9/10 times it works fine. You can and should harden the security settings for it, but for most people, vanilla settings are better than their current solution.

Once you work at a place doing lvl 1 tech support, like say a Geek Squad, the perspective smacks you in the face everyday until you’re broken.

Admittedly, I do almost all of my messaging from my phone, and 100% of Lemmy. Most of the time if I have something on my computer to share, it’s easiest to just take a picture. If fidelity matters, I can take a screen grab and share it to my phone via KDE connect. It’s not a matter of knowing how, it’s the effort required for a slightly clearer image.

Yea, young STEM university students are obviously going to be more technologically literate than their counter parts. That isn’t a new thing and was true for the older generations too.

What questionable decisions are you talking about that the US made that you’re insinuating set them back compared to the rest of the world? The US does have more tech classes now than when I was in school in the early 2000’s. The problem is a vast majority of these kids coming up don’t know how to use computers effectively. It’s not just “using a mouse” that makes someone tech literate. Knowing how to navigate a mobile device, which is designed for ease of use to accommodate even the dumbest people, does not make someone tech literate. Some are power users, but most have nothing more than a surface level knowledge of how to use it. There’s little to no troubleshooting skills.

All of those mobile devices are programmed by actual tech literate people that understand coding, the network stack, security, and the general inner workings of how computers work. This generation coming out now doesn’t know any of that because they never use computers.

And lastly, holy fuck what’s wrong with you? Jesus fucking Christ you just came out shooting in that second half. The person you replied to made a valid, factual point, and you apparently took that as a personal attack. What the fuck do trans people have to do with this? What a fucked up transition to make and shit to take. You need help, dude.

Maybe tell your comment then.

Are you suggesting that people just open fire on one of the most protected individuals in the world? How do you suppose that would play out in reality?

I think 2a is a joke and those that have used it as a crutch for these specific moments are a bunch of hypocrites, but attempting to actually assassinate the POTUS is not realistic at all. I’d cut them some slack if they exercised their rights to stop the indiscriminate kidnappings by ICE, but here we are.

Maybe if you have no idea what’s actually going on in the US.