You could very easily poke holes in the statements he made in that post. Discuss how easily a system like that could be used in a tyrannical context. Calling him a nazi does nothing but further radicalize the fella.
No… how do you get that from what I’ve said. We should out talk them, the example post given is very easy to poke holes in. People can and do change their minds, but only when challenged. Giving up, slapping a label on and holding moral superiority just grows their side. While you get to feel good about calling them a nazi. Doesn’t help anyone and just pushes them further down that hate filled mindset. You beat hate with compassion and conversation, not more hate. Look into the artist Daryl Davis, his ideology around the subject is how I frame mine.
“There will always be nazis” is pretty fatalistic. And beside that point, why can’t we do both? Poking holes in their dingbat ideology and shaming them for how vile they are are by no means mutually exclusive.
You’re never going to get someone to leave their side and come to yours with that mentality. Shaming them does nothing but make you feel superior. Use someone like Daryl Davis as an example.
(Sorry too many comment threads going so I’m gonna synthesize concepts here to stop the comment fragmentation)
See here’s the disconnect: I don’t want them on my side, I don’t think they can be brought over to my side, I think they are a lost cause. The reason to explicitly call out their behavior is so people, people who aren’t yet too far gone, can see where their rhetoric stems from. I want people to see that that authoritiarian-leaning but largely inoffensive opinion comes from a place of self-loathing masquerading as trolling and nazi adjacent hypercapitalist idol worship. They, Luniatiqueue, can fuck right off. But the person reading the comment, the one that risks being frog-boiled over to sympathizing with their opinions by gradual exposure to more and more authoritarian rhetorical concepts, those people I care about. THOSE people are worth saving, worth engaging with.
And no, they’re not going to be pushed away by seeing someone else get called a nazi for doing things like supporting the literal policies of the nazi party. If someone is that inherently contrarian, so hung up on “polite interaction” that they are only going to criticize that apparent lack of decorum instead of the person claiming that nobody deserves a chance at happiness and dancing around the issue of putting trans people in camps, someone like you, I don’t have much hope for them.
Maybe they can be reached, but they’re already teetering on the edge, and spending my time worrying about them instead of trying to shine a light on the truly vile creatures lurking in our community, that is not worth my time.
Okay, so feel free to start de-radicalizing them. Go ahead, be my guest, I will happily support you doing that just like I have in all the other threads where people attempt that. I’ll just patiently wait right here while you get on practicing what you preach.
Seriously though, if they don’t wanna be called a nazi, maybe they shouldn’t do stuff like advocate for the implementation of nazi policies. Sure the centrist line about ‘labeling everything you don’t like a nazi devalues the term’ probably has some degree of merit, but that’s not whats happening here. They’re just a regular old far-right authoritarian whackjob troll and pointing out the festering hatred that even lemmy, with it’s much less toxic community compared to reddit or twitter, still has lurking in the userbase is important.
Besides, there’s no way for them to be more radicalized. They’re already a transphobic pro-oligarchical eugenicist with a gun fetish that desperately LARPs as a rich white woman by posting stolen shots of prop money and expensive cars. How much worse could they actually be?
I can’t talk to them because all their comments were removed, not deleted by them, removed… This is also just a general thing for me not centered solely around this individual troll.
(Couldn’t link the comment for whatever reason:)
"Russia has the strongest military in the world that has technology that can eviscerate all NATO members within 20 minutes.
Some of their strategic argument doesn’t even need nuclear capabilities.
Not saying they’re invulnerable against attack, but they would be able to devastate all of NATO with their attacks."
Bud you literally want the mentally ill segregated out of society, you’re not apolitical, you’re a nazi.
You could very easily poke holes in the statements he made in that post. Discuss how easily a system like that could be used in a tyrannical context. Calling him a nazi does nothing but further radicalize the fella.
Not everyone wants to spend all their energy debating nazis. It’s not going to change the nazi’s mind.
they recieve an instant block, i rarely report.
Then there will always be nazis
I notice they didn’t say “live and let live”
So we should just… give up and accept them?
No… how do you get that from what I’ve said. We should out talk them, the example post given is very easy to poke holes in. People can and do change their minds, but only when challenged. Giving up, slapping a label on and holding moral superiority just grows their side. While you get to feel good about calling them a nazi. Doesn’t help anyone and just pushes them further down that hate filled mindset. You beat hate with compassion and conversation, not more hate. Look into the artist Daryl Davis, his ideology around the subject is how I frame mine.
“There will always be nazis” is pretty fatalistic. And beside that point, why can’t we do both? Poking holes in their dingbat ideology and shaming them for how vile they are are by no means mutually exclusive.
You’re never going to get someone to leave their side and come to yours with that mentality. Shaming them does nothing but make you feel superior. Use someone like Daryl Davis as an example.
(Sorry too many comment threads going so I’m gonna synthesize concepts here to stop the comment fragmentation)
See here’s the disconnect: I don’t want them on my side, I don’t think they can be brought over to my side, I think they are a lost cause. The reason to explicitly call out their behavior is so people, people who aren’t yet too far gone, can see where their rhetoric stems from. I want people to see that that authoritiarian-leaning but largely inoffensive opinion comes from a place of self-loathing masquerading as trolling and nazi adjacent hypercapitalist idol worship. They, Luniatiqueue, can fuck right off. But the person reading the comment, the one that risks being frog-boiled over to sympathizing with their opinions by gradual exposure to more and more authoritarian rhetorical concepts, those people I care about. THOSE people are worth saving, worth engaging with.
And no, they’re not going to be pushed away by seeing someone else get called a nazi for doing things like supporting the literal policies of the nazi party. If someone is that inherently contrarian, so hung up on “polite interaction” that they are only going to criticize that apparent lack of decorum instead of the person claiming that nobody deserves a chance at happiness and dancing around the issue of putting trans people in camps, someone like you, I don’t have much hope for them.
Maybe they can be reached, but they’re already teetering on the edge, and spending my time worrying about them instead of trying to shine a light on the truly vile creatures lurking in our community, that is not worth my time.
Okay, so feel free to start de-radicalizing them. Go ahead, be my guest, I will happily support you doing that just like I have in all the other threads where people attempt that. I’ll just patiently wait right here while you get on practicing what you preach.
Seriously though, if they don’t wanna be called a nazi, maybe they shouldn’t do stuff like advocate for the implementation of nazi policies. Sure the centrist line about ‘labeling everything you don’t like a nazi devalues the term’ probably has some degree of merit, but that’s not whats happening here. They’re just a regular old far-right authoritarian whackjob troll and pointing out the festering hatred that even lemmy, with it’s much less toxic community compared to reddit or twitter, still has lurking in the userbase is important.
Besides, there’s no way for them to be more radicalized. They’re already a transphobic pro-oligarchical eugenicist with a gun fetish that desperately LARPs as a rich white woman by posting stolen shots of prop money and expensive cars. How much worse could they actually be?
I can’t talk to them because all their comments were removed, not deleted by them, removed… This is also just a general thing for me not centered solely around this individual troll.
Think they are just a troll:
(Couldn’t link the comment for whatever reason:) "Russia has the strongest military in the world that has technology that can eviscerate all NATO members within 20 minutes.
Some of their strategic argument doesn’t even need nuclear capabilities.
Not saying they’re invulnerable against attack, but they would be able to devastate all of NATO with their attacks."
I was wondering how many comments it would take before someone was called a nazi. Turns out, 22.
It’s okay tho they made me president of their fanclub so I’m allowed to speak truth to
that dipshit trollpower