• ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com
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    5 days ago

    I genuinely believe that the vast, vast majority of people on this planet who are aware of the situation in Gaza can see that it’s a genocide and that Israel is criminal.

    I don’t have anything to base it on, but I just have a feeling that we’ve reached a turning point in how Israel is perceived globally. I don’t know what that will mean in the future, but I think it’ll mean something big.

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      4 days ago

      Practically everyone I’ve spoken to irl, even those more conservative inclined, feel the same. Even if you take into account that people are likely to be surrounded by people who hold at least similar opinions to them it really feels like this is the case and has been for a minute now.

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      4 days ago

      A) yes the view is changing B) it’s not going to be big because it’s a small conflict in a tiny country. Could you elaborate what this is supposed to mean?

      They are not going to be wiped off the map soon and neither are they going to reform their country and have peace for everyone.

      Main thing about the conflict is how stuck it is.

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        4 days ago

        Respectfully, I think you’re repeating a widespread myth: this is not an immovable situation. Israel’s system of apartheid is actually very cumbersome and expensive, and the country has been very weakened over the last two years. It really isn’t hard for me to see this government collapse in the next three years.

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          It’s hard for israel to completely crash when the usa is still sending billions to israel and the west is still not willing to sanctions isrsel itself cuba style. People are still votibg for people still claiming that israel has the right to defend itself against the people it occupy

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            4 days ago

            the west is still not willing to sanctions isrsel itself cuba style.

            Pretty much this. Same for Russia.

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            I think my point stands.

            Israel has clearly lost most of the Democratic voter base. They’re losing conservatives too, but it’s really hard to overstate the importance of losing Democratic support. American Jews are increasingly unwilling to support the Zionist project, and Israel has always depended greatly on international support for everything from financial assistance to providing the actual Jewish bodies who are needed to actually move into settlements and birth more Israeli Jews.

            We’re not far from a day when Israel loses access to their US weapons and tech infrastructure. But their economy was never designed to work without American Jews visiting and moving to Israel.

            Personally, I’d like to see the international community force the adoption of a democratic one state solution. And I think that’s no less far-fetched than something like a return to the previous status quo.

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              Losing the base means nothing if we keep voting for pro isrsel leaders. I am not going to get fooled by actions like a meanless palestinian state recognition with no security guarentees and no army to defend itself or sanctions 1 or 2 predominent settlers

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                4 days ago

                I really don’t think the next Democratic president will be a Zionist.

                It’s like abortion and guns. There used to be pro-gun Democrats and anti abortion Democrats, but culture changed and those are no longer positions you can hold off you want to get elected to any position.

                In 2028, defending Palestinian genocide is going to be as electorally viable as saying abortions should be “safe, legal, and rare”.

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                  3 days ago

                  Americans will vote for the two cult again and again so why would they ever listen to anything people want. 2028 election will be no different.

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          4 days ago

          I think the current government can be gotten rid of and a new government may handle things differently. That’s about as good as it will get.

          Trump and whoever comes after him when he croaks will still support Israel.