Today is a big day for the future of e-bikes in New York City. A hearing starts at 10 a.m. You can file a written comment until 5 p.m. You can also send an email to rules@dot.nyc.gov until 5 p.m

  • vxx@lemmy.world
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    26 days ago

    16mph is the limitation in germany. If your bike is faster, you have to register it an pay tax, and cant use dedicated bicycle infratructure anymore.

    16mph is exactly the speed where I’m fast enough but dont feel like I would die in a crash.

    Everything above would require protective clothing like on motorcycles Imo, and that kind of defeats the purpose for ebikes for me. I want to ride my bike but don’t want to have to fight against wind and going up the hill.

    If an ebike is as fast as a motorcycle, it should get treated as one.

    • DrunkEngineer@lemmy.world
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      26 days ago

      16mph is the limitation in germany.

      In my experience, a typical bike-friendly city in Germany will have 30 km/h limit for cars anyway (18 mph). NYC “official” speed limit is 25mph.

    • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
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      26 days ago

      Yeah this proposal is reasonable. I wouldnt want to share my bikepath with old people driving more than 25kmh. They just dont have the reaction time to safely drive at speeds like that and even that is actually waaay to fast for the oldest. If you wanna go faster, use your muscles and/or drive on the road.

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        26 days ago

        if you want to go faster use your muscles

        Okay but the fact that you can say this without it being a joke proves how stupid this limit is.

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          26 days ago

          The thing with pedelecs and 25km/h is complicated™

          • we distinguish e-bikes and pedelecs
            • self-driving electric bike
            • bike with electric pedal assist
          • motorized bikes are already a thing for a century
            • motorbikes… (driving license; 16 years+; real number plate; but 20 years+ for >45km/h)
            • moped has 45km/h limit and a kickstart pedal (driving license; 15 years+; insurance plate)
            • mofa has 25km/h limit and (can have) real bike pedals (driving test; 15 years+; insurance plate)
          • every motorized vehicle that can do more than 20km/h and doesn’t have a seat belt, mandates helmets
          • bike paths are only for bikes
            • outside of built-up area mofas were already allowed to use bike paths
          • at least one state banned motorized vehicles from forests

          It probably was always possible to drive them as moped/mofa, don’t think it was specified what kind of motor.

          Pedal assist doesn’t just stop at 25km/h, it also decreases with higher speeds.

          But the point is that pedelecs effectively count as bike and not motorized vehicles. That means somebody younger than 15 can drive them, but you have to be at least 10 to be allowed to drive on streets/roads. Helmets are only mandatory for <12 years old kids on bikes.

        • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
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          26 days ago

          Not at all no. This used to be a sort of self regulating system. Peoples ability to go fast with muscles alone usually goes away around the same point where their cognitive abilities become a hazard to the rest of traffic. The difference is that most young people could easily go 18mph or more while old people wouldnt even get past 10 without e-bikes. Basically e-bikes allow people to go beyond their limits. While that sounds cool, in this case it isnt.

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              26 days ago

              Said literally nobody. 15mph is plenty fast for getting around :) The more important part is making biking more attractive by building better infrastructure for it and actively restricting car traffic by slowing it down or diverting it out of cities.

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      26 days ago

      Yeah but blinking bike lights are also illegal to sell in Germany because you realized that drunk drivers target fixate on them and you apparently found that ban to be a better solution than aggressively cracking down on drunks. So I don’t give much credence to the rational integrity of German vehicular law. I go faster than 16 MPH literally every time I get on my bike. A regular non-motorized bike, powered only by me.

      • inktvip@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        26 days ago

        It’s the exact same in the Netherlands. The pedal assist is capped at that speed, but nothing stops you from powering though that and going faster. Not that it makes any sense to do so for the average daily office commuter.