Party prepared to risk government shutdown and will not support GOP bill unless cuts to healthcare are reversed

It has been nine brutal months for congressional Democrats.

Relegated by voters to the minority in last year’s election, they have been powerless to stop Republicans from acting on Donald Trump’s demands to fund an immigration crackdown, strip money for foreign aid and public media, and downsize Medicaid, which provides healthcare to poor and disabled Americans.

That is set to change next week. Funding for the government expires on Tuesday, but Democrats have refused the GOP’s demands to support legislation keeping it open unless the majority agrees to reverse the Medicaid cuts, restore funding to public media and extend subsidies for Affordable Care Act (ACA) plans.

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    Still waiting for the alternative to making things better as you can which you call incrementalism. Speak to me of the great victories of your alternative. I have had many a back and forth with your type and its all complaints and hot air. Having republicans run everything is not the way to go.

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      Still waiting for the alternative to making things better as you can which you call incrementalism.

      Actually using the majorities we give them to do the things they ran on.

      Speak to me of the great victories of your alternative.

      The great victories of incrementalism are all preventing any victory by progressives. Congratulations on your victories over working people and living Palestinians.

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        How? How is incrementalism preventing these great progressive victories? Again its all out of box integrate to new synergy buzz speak that I am hearing.

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          How is incrementalism preventing these great progressive victories?

          Progressives aren’t the ones who just happen to have just enough no votes every time. That’s the incrementalists blocking progress.

          Incrementalism has failed to make things better. It is inadequate to the challenges its proponents claim it to be a solution for. We’ve tried incrementalism for decades and we’re staring down fascism as a direct result of the utter uselessness of incrementalism and incrementalists. You’re touting a 15 year old law that’s based on heritage foundation policy that wasn’t far enough to the right for incrementalists, so they nerfed it even further.

          Incrementalism is great for fascists and the single best cover that cryptofascists ever invented.

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            Incrementalism has worked for decades and has been progressive. Just not progressive enough and ultimately it will never be progressive enough for what any particular person thinks is progressive. Some people who voted for trump honestly think in their brain that maga is progressive. What you call incrementalism is just work. The every day work of a democratic government system. Not working and or achieving anything and saying you totally would if other folks who are working would not do such a half assed job is just comical. Honestly I think we are just at an impasse. Im not going to stop trying to make things better and im not going to put my efforts to get you to help pull as its wasted effort. You will be you and I will be me and I will reduce, reuse, recycle, find as much joy as I can in simplicity, and engage in all levels of civic engagement available to me as long as I draw breath to push for a better society.

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              Incrementalism has worked for decades and has been progressive.

              It worked at the only thing it’s for: preventing progress until republicans can get back in and wreck shit. I don’t care what centrists pretend is progressive. Incrementalism has been responsible for decades of sliding rightward. And it’s by design.

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                It certainly has not. Its in the name it moves progressive but slowly. The slide comes from allowing the right to win and move the window. Again this is stupid at this point as its clear we disagree.

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                  It certainly has not. Its in the name it moves progressive but slowly.

                  I’ve shared many examples in this thread of the people you keep falsely calling “progressive” killing progressive legislation for you. You’ve ignored every last incrementalist victory over the people you want to suffer.

                  The slide comes from allowing the right to win and move the window.

                  Democrats spent all of last year supporting an ongoing genocide. They are completely uninterested in moving the window in any direction other than right, just like you.

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                    Oh the us controls all countries like puppets on string argument. Since the democrats have been out israel has gotten more powerful weapons, aid to palestine has been eliminated, and israel is outright annexing palestine. All because of people like you. Im out.