At one point, Miller told the assembled local police officers, “I see the guns and badges in this room. You are unleashed. The handcuffs you’re carrying, they’re not on you anymore, they’re on the criminals. And whatever you need to get it done, we’re gonna get it done.”

The 40-year-old stated that they had deployed over 13 government agencies, including the FBI, DEA, ATF, ICE, and the Department of Defense, which Hegseth has since rebranded as the “Department of War.”

“The gangbangers that you deal with, they think that they’re ruthless, they have no idea how ruthless we are,” Miller added.

“They think they’re tough, they have no idea how tough we are. They think that they’re hardcore, we are so much more hardcore than they are, and we have the entire weight of the United States government behind us. What do they have? They have nothing behind them. So we are gonna win, they’re gonna lose.”

At the Wednesday appearance, Hegseth thanked the assembled Memphis law officers for working in dangerous places “where politicians spend a lot of time second guessing… the impossible decisions that you have to make that they will never understand.”

Hegseth, Bondi and Miller spent around an hour in the Shelby County Office of Preparedness and left via the rear entrance, according to WREG TV.

Bondi said on X that 53 arrests had been made and 20 illegal firearms seized in the first two days of the Memphis Safe Task Force.

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    if they tell you to get out, you probably should

    * you 100% should, in literally every single situation I can think of unless your name is Tyre Nichols

    getting out of your vehicle when instructed does not in any way then allow them to search your car outside of the above reasons

    Correct… but advising people to “stand up for their rights” if they start searching it anyway (with or without a legal basis that the person doesn’t understand on the spot), I think is a lot more likely to get them arrested for obstruction than it is to change the cops’ mind about doing the search. And then once they’re arrested for a pretty solid reason, they can do a tow inventory without worrying about the search getting tossed out later, so they’re on ironclad footing as far as whatever they find. You’re technically right but I think explaining a little more detail about what you are talking about would probably be a better way to talk about it, in terms of what will happen to anyone who listens to you, even if the idea is right.

    Just being pulled over for a moving violation doesn’t mean they can then go fishing for something more serious.

    It absolutely does. They can call for a dog, they can see something that’s in plain sight, they can allegedly smell burnt marijuana and there’s nothing on the bodycam to show that they didn’t. They can ask you incriminating questions in a friendly fashion, which if you are smart you won’t give much of any response to. They can decide you have glossy eyes and they want you to get out and do a field sobriety test, and then they can pat you down to make sure you don’t have any weapons for officer safety. There are certain limits on how they can go fishing for something more serious, but they absolutely can make the attempt, and if they find something without crossing certain boundaries, then it’s fair game and you can be fucked. And there are some boundaries on how you’re allowed to resist their fishing that a lot of people don’t have a clear understanding of the details of.

    On the whole most of what you are saying is right. You are substantially ahead of the curve as far as Lemmy law knowledge. The little caveats above are just little nitpicks honestly. But my point is, people are idiots and frequently get themselves arrested because they took advice like “stand up for your rights” seriously and went to bat about it, without really understanding what their rights are and how to stand up for them. I think more detail and understanding is important to provide. That’s all I’m saying.

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      As to the police saying you have glossy eyes, anyone at any time driving a vehicle they could pull over, accuse of being impaired, and in their expert opinion arrest you. People don’t realize that the laws actually allow them to charge you for impaired driving even if blood tests they get a warrant for shows zero drugs and zero alcohol. The system really is that fucked. And nobody in Authority ever wants to admit they were wrong about anything and they were all raised to have nothing but contempt for the rest of the population.

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        100% true, although a good lawyer will be able to prevent any “legal” penalties ultimately, they can sure fuck up your day in the meantime. This is one reason I was recommending against certain ways of antagonizing them for no reason.

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          For sure, and we have all seen the videos of people trying to stick up for their rights in the wrong way and getting themselves in a world of trouble. And I have been there and it is very hard to tread the line between sticking up for yourself and not getting fucked worse by the police because they have so much power and unaccountable Authority. If they want to arrest you they will. And cooperating on things like sobriety tests outside of a breathalyzer which you cannot refuse without consequence, we’ll just give them probable cause as they will lie.

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            If they want to arrest you they will. And cooperating on things like sobriety tests outside of a breathalyzer which you cannot refuse without consequence, we’ll just give them probable cause as they will lie.

            100%. Never ever cooperate with the sobriety test. Just say something like, “I feel like those tests are pretty subjective, so no, I don’t want to do that. You can breath test me, blood test me, whatever [because yes those do have consequences if you refuse], because I’m sober [because you ARE sober, as opposed to careening around on the road trying to get my nieces killed RIGHT?]. But no, I’m refusing the field sobriety test, if you want my answer on that.”

            You’ll probably get arrested. It will be a pain in the ass. But, that might have happened anyway, so you might as well start setting things up to advantage yourself in your case. Honestly you can make your own judgement whether maybe it’s worth doing a quick HGN test because the cop is for real not sure whether you are sober or not… in general, though, if they’re talking to you about DUI, you should ask for a PBT and refuse any physical sobriety test (recognizing that it will make it way more likely that you get arrested). Your lawyer will thank you and you’ll basically be fine.

            I don’t know why people focus so hard on the “getting arrested” part of the equation and not on the “beating the case” part of it, when the second part is far more important. Cops know that, and part of the manipulation that they’ll do is kind of making it sound like cooperating with them is going to make getting arrested less likely. The case is the big deal part of it though.

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              I was accused of being drunk or high and did one of those tests and they said it was a failure even though I didn’t show any impairment of motor skills. Arrested me, Drew my blood in the hospital, towed my car, then released me the next morning without charge, only to file charges 14 months later for supposedly having one nanogram per milliliter of THC despite the fact that I had not smoked at all anytime in the range. Had to pay 3K for a lawyer that got it dropped. Plus several hundred to get my car out of impound.

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                Yeah. Somewhere on YouTube there are plenty of lawyer videos about how to deal with those stops, but basically TL;DR: Refuse the field sobriety tests, be calm and polite, don’t answer questions or engage in discussion (aside from providing your name and IDing yourself), cooperate with any kind of medical / chemical test they want you to do.

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                  My least favorite is shining the light directly into my eye at night. I refuse that one straight up. I find it very uncomfortable to have bright lights in my eyes and I do not trust those dipshits and anybody that tells them and is not bad for your vision, and they’re doing it in bad faith anyway. Plus I was completely sober. They do that to check the dilation of the pupils apparently. Most illegal drugs do like big pupils but opiates do small.

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                    I don’t think most of that is true. Mostly the field sobriety eye test is checking whether your eyes will twitch when they go to the edge of the field of view. They have to shine enough light near your face to be able to see your eyes obviously but if they’re shining it right in your eyes they are definitely doing it wrong.

                    (Fun fact, when I was younger I passed one of those when I should not have. The cop was holding a pen near the edge of my field of view and I could literally see the pen shaking because of my eyes twitching, and for some reason he passed me on the test. I was not especially drunk, so maybe I was below the threshold, but I had been drinking. Who knows. Anyway, don’t drive drunk kids. I just saw a bodycam video yesterday of a woman who had gotten in the car just to move it, while she was pretty drunk, and she managed to run over her husband who was near the car and kill him. She was shattered, looked like just a sweet woman who was out having fun and now her life was irrevocably destroyed, I did not finish watching the video.)

                    I won’t say that there are not cops out there that will shine light in your eyes to check your pupil size or something (and definitely small pupils are a sign of drug use… I think mostly it is stimulants shrinking your pupils as almost all of what they’re looking for; psychedelics will make your pupils big but that’s not what most people they’re looking to bust for DUI drugs have taken I think). The standard test is looking for twitching though.