I agree it’s useful to highlight the parallels between what the Israeli government does now and what was done to the Jewish population by the Nazis, but equating the two is not useful, is actively harmful, and extremely offensive. That’s what I objected to above.

Zionism relies on “othering” Jews, making them feel unsafe in their home countries.

You can just as well say that all nationalist projects rely on “othering” in the sense of dividing whatever group is deemed “us” from everyone else. But of course, nobody normally calls this “othering”, because it explicitly makes the in-group us not other than us. It would be wholly wrong to say that Zionist Jews characterise Jews as other than us, so I don’t see how this is “othering” in any way that makes sense. They may other particular subgroups, but that is simply not a basis for describing the process as “othering Jews” because Jewishness is not the axis along which the division is being made; rather it is the axis of the subgroup. Scots might other the English, and this would not be a basis on which to accuse Scots of anti-British prejudice.

Othering alone is in any case not prejudice; it is merely something that often precedes it.

They literally sterilized African Jews in the pursuit of their colonial vision.

That would be a subgroup of Jews, not Jews as a whole. You wouldn’t call it homophobia to bully Michael who happens to be gay if you don’t bully other gay people.

Please explain how Zionism is:

Prejudiced, discriminatory, hostile or opposed politically or religiously against ethnic or religious Jews or against Judaism

More information on usage can be found here but even if you want to use the non-standard sense of the word, it is:

• clearly wrong, because Zionism privileges one group it should be prejudiced against if it were anti-semitic in this sense; and
• clearly not the anti-semitism of the Nazis - so in no way does this make Zionism a form of Nazism, which is what we were talking about.

I am defending the truth, and you’re too committed to your untruth (whether mistake or lie) to accept that someone can do that while otherwise sharing your beliefs.

They are GENOCIDING SEMITIC PEOPLE.

“Semitic people” is not a category that is used any more; it could refer to “speakers of Semitic languages” but is completely obsolete for referring to ethnicity. And besides, Zionism, or the current Israeli government’s version of it, is not murdering Palestinians because they belong to the group of people once referred to as “Semitic” because that would include all Arabs and all Jews as well as several other people. Genociding people who belong to a certain category doesn’t mean you’re anti- that category. For a trivial example, they are genociding human beings - does that mean they are anti-human? Obviously not.

So, if anti-semitism does not refer to hatred for the entire group of “Semitic people”, what does it refer to? Well, it has some history being used more or less in the way you apparently believe it still is used, but in 1879 a chap called Wilhelm Marr wrote a pamphlet in which he used Semitismus interchangeably with Judentum, and Antisemitismus as a synonym for Judenhaß - Jew-hatred. That is what it has meant since.

There is only one reason I can think of beyond blinkered stubbornness that you could possibly want to associate the Nazis and antisemitism with the Israeli government, and that is out of some pathetic sense of irony, that it is somehow poetic that the Jews have become what befell them in the early 20th century. That is poetic, but poetry isn’t truth, and disregarding the suffering of Jews at the hands of the real Nazis by calling what Israel now commits “Nazism” belies a disregard for Jews as a whole which is at best distasteful and at worst abhorrent.

You are letting yourself speak in a prejudiced way because of your opposition to the genocide that Israel is carrying out. How can you say “grow up” when you let that happen? No population deserves to be murdered the way Israel is murdering Palestinians - but no population deserves to have its past suffering mocked in the way you mock the suffering of Jews by calling Israel Nazis.

the only difference is the lack of a german language.

And the lack of anti-semitism

And the boundedness of their expansionism

And many other differences.

Expand your fucking vocabulary, rather than reaching for the only genocidal analogue you can think of. There has been more than one genocide in history, and you do dishonour to the victims of any one by using its name to describe something different.

They clearly aren’t Nazis, because Nazis were not and are not some generic evil, but a specific one. So never.

People only want to call them Nazis as a lazy shorthand for the ultimate evil, and because of the painful irony. Neither of these are good reasons.

The IAEA criticised the strike at the time, though were hampered due to not actually knowing whether it even was a nuclear reactor, because Syria never declared it. 18 years later it doesn’t make any sense to issue a new condemnation, does it?

Feel free to put forward an alternative view

“Publicity stunt” is just a pejorative description of activism, in this case.

The objective is to draw attention to the famine that Israel is causing by publicising how Israel blocks the entry of aid with a very tangible example.

What do you mean?

Yeah it’s a common thing - if people don’t like something, they will be very critical of everything related to it. Many people are not capable or even really interested in being fair; if you mention this you will be accused of “defending” them.

All your questions sounded rhetorical to me. I responded to what I had something to respond with.

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Are you OK? I haven’t edited any of my comments on here. Is the AI in the room with you now?

I meant to add more but was pushed for time. MAGA has not legislated its authoritarianism - not yet. So far it has been done by executive order and by judicial capture. This makes it hard to judge how resilient the USA will be to it.

Archery for sure. You can’t do well if you’re not relaxed!

The normal way to open the door is with a button that cracks the window slightly, because the door does not contain an upper window frame for aesthetic reasons. However, there is a mechanical release.

What you will be thinking of is that on some models (I can’t remember which exactly) the mechanical release for the rear doors is not in an obvious place, so if you need to get out in a hurry, u gon die.

This is obviously moronic design and risks lives for no practical benefit, but most people don’t base their purchasing decisions based on what might go wrong in a tiny number of crashes. You could compare it to a decision to buy a luxury car rather than a normal one: that’s tens of thousands of currency units that you could set aside to retire a year early, or in case you or some close to you hits bad luck. The practical choice is to buy the normal car (or the non-Tesla), but the likelihood that it will be important is very small, so it’s not really crazy to make the non-practical choice.

Tesla cars were a very good prospect until pretty much this year. Most people are fine with everything being on a big dumb screen instead of having proper buttons (even though it’s a usability and safety nightmare) and once you get past that, they’re comfortable and practical - and well-priced compared to the non-Chinese competition.

But now, Elon outed himself as an actual Nazi, and took away proper indicators and gear selectors.

hate based on someone’s religion or ethnicity is an act of violence in of itself.

Pull the other one. Violence has a meaning that every English-speaker understands, and hatred does not meet that definition.

Curious, would you have stopped the rise of Nazism by asking them nicely?

Well, the KPD strategy of meeting them in street brawls went so well, didn’t it?

That’s where we are now

So, given that you just issued me a challenge about what I’d do, do I take it you’re out in the street roughing up anyone with a MAGA hat?

If not, then I think you actually understand and agree on a practical level: the situation in the US is not as clear cut as the fight against the Nazis ended up, and which people wish to invoke when they say “punch a Nazi.”

The threshold of Nazi takeover could reasonably be taken to be the Enabling Act. There has been no equivalent in the US.

Cake day: 23 October 2023

Guess what made me leave lol

Same reason people never bothered to do a proper search when all knowledge on the internet was indexed on forums - people can’t be bothered, and want another person to find information for them before they make a real effort to find it themselves.