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White House pushing Sir Keir Starmer to make concessions on food standards
Donald Trump is demanding American chlorinated chicken be sold in British supermarkets.
The White House is pushing Sir Keir Starmer to make concessions on food standards in order to revive a transatlantic tech partnership that drastically collapsed on Tuesday.
Jamieson Greer, the US trade envoy, wants Britain to accept hormone-treated chicken and beef, a term he was not able to achieve when the wider US-UK trade deal was first signed in May.
“He is seeking to use the tech partnership as leverage on trade deal concessions he still wants but that didn’t get the first round,” a source close to the negotiations told The Telegraph.
The US pulled the tech prosperity agreement over complaints Britain’s Online Safety Act would police American AI companies. Washington is using this complaint in order to secure fresh compromises in its trade deal with London, The Telegraph understands.
Insiders say the tech agreement collapsed in part because of the absence of an ambassador to Washington, a post which has remained vacant since Lord Mandelson was fired in September over his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein.
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I don’t think the Trump admin knows anyone who isn’t associated with Epstein, so they can’t really fill the vacancy
If you want cheap chickens and eggs for billions of humans, factory farming is a necessity. If you factory farm, there has to be a safe level of salmonella allowed, or nuke the whole facility over any infection. Also, if you factory farm, there will be wild price swings in chicken and eggs as factories are nuked for bird flu infections.
But we have choices!
a) Cook your fucking chicken and eggs.
b) Don’t eat chicken or eggs.
c) Grow your own.
And for my British friends:
d) Boycott American chicken.
The Red Coats should tell MAGA to shove it where the sun does not shine. If the UK allows sub-standard meat into their market, be sure to educate the consumers about it.
ew. i’m statesian and i won’t buy that shit.
They also demand that from Switzerland, so we “only” get 14% tax instead of 30+. Despite them being hurt by it too, especially with gold trade.
And we should allow Teslas, despite them not meeting safety requirements. Is what our company bosses agreed to, without asking the parliament.
Salmonella, Yummy!
Lads, do you remember the Boston Tea Party? It’s payback time!
London Tender Dinner?
Devonshire Disinfectant Dinner?
Birmingham Bleach Banquet?
Hampshire Hormone Hootenanny?
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On second thought, how about we turn back to the EU
Eat my gross chicken or we can’t be friends is peak US GOP behavior.
The dying US empire is sucking it’s allies dry
It’s alienating its allies so they cease to be allies
America only needs Israel and no one else ❤️❤️❤️
This was the promise of Brexit - no more of those pesky, overbearing EU safety regulations in exchange for trading deals with the devil for bad products that don’t come CLOSE to replacing what was lost.
That’s it: a license for greedy manufacturers and farmers to sell us dangerous shite that used to be banned.
Someone tell Upton Sinclair!
Welcome to the jungle, baby. You’re gonna die!
I demand my butthole be tounged repeatedly.
They can stock it all they want, doesn’t mean it’s going to get bought.
They’ll also pressure the UK to prevent it being labeled as chlorinated.
It’s going to pretty easy to tell ‘Product of USA’ just means contaminated/unsafe to eat food.
Shouldn’t buy US food even outside the current administration, they don’t grow or produce ANYTHING edible there.
It’s a huge and widely varying country with wildly different farming practices. I assure you there are more people growing and consuming real quality food in the US than there are people in your country. There is also a huge quantity of poisonous garbage grown and consumed as well.
Are you going to put that text next to the “chlorinated in USA” label?
Sorry, but I don’t believe that more than 70 million people in the US eat quality food on a regular basis. Too many people there are just scraping by, are in prison or are not educated enough to allow for that number.
IIRC it’s not just hormones it’s bleached because we consider chicken with salmonella to still be fit for consumption. Our farming processes are so bad that we have to bleach the chicken to attempt to mitigate the hearth hazard.
It’s honestly embarrassing. Every time I hear about an ecoli outbreak on leafy greens, I’m bewildered on how hard it is for our farmers to keep cow shit out of their crops.
It’s human shit because we pay field workers by the amount they harvest and ensure that they are so poor and desperate that they would rather shit in the crop than lose out on a few cents of wages and walk a mile to the nearest bathroom, if one is even provided at all.
It’s not just cows.
Soiling greens is people?
S-tier work there.
I see what you did there 😁
And yes, some countries use human faeces as a fertiliser. Not sure if that’s the case in the UK though… I doubt it, the literal and figurative shit storm that would create… 😬
Also farm workers not allowed to leave the field to go to the bathroom.
Amazon Farms™
Mainly pig slurry.
The USDA has banned hormones and steroids since the 50s and like 5% of chicken gets the (perfectly safe) chlorine rinse. European countries use the same rinse on leafy vegetables, they just banned it on poultry because they thought it would make processors complacent.
You raise good points, though I think the issue stands that our processors and farmers are extremely complacent to the point of being negligent. I can’t exactly fault Europe for not wanting any part of that, they generally care much more about food quality than we do here.
Regulations are only as good as their enforcement. The US has pretty good food safety laws (the discrepancies with the EU tend to be our “prove it’s bad” rather than “prove it’s not bad” stance on common-use ingredients and additives.) particularly with labeling. We don’t have fresh raw cheeses because we decided the best Brie wasn’t worth occasional listeria outbreaks.
Noooo we’re not looking for facts here, it’s a white supremicist corclejerk!
America has been trying to get us to legalise their shitty chicken for years, fuck right off. We produce our own locally to a much higher standard.
I’ll buy your Good & Plenty though, my gawd that tastes goooood
I’m not advocating for American chlorinated chicken, but I’m not sure our chicken is to a much higher standard. Over the last few years I’ve noticed a decline in the quality of our chicken from white striping to woody breast. I guess this is caused by them using breeds that grow quickly.
And now the UK left the EU, they have way less bargaining power.
Wait. No. That can’t be right.
We were supposed to be able to get much better deals when we could negotiate our own. /s
Honestly, I don’t understand how anyone fell for that line. How can a single country have more negotiating power than 28 countries including that single country?
Yeah, your pricing power is far greater when you’re smaller, duh.
Perfect example: any individual negotiating with a giant multinational.
Are you my Grandpa? The only one I know who eats Good & Plenty
Only a small portion of US chicken gets the chlorine rinse, a practice that the EU recognized as perfectly safe by the way. They banned it because they didn’t want poultry processors to get lazy about other hygiene practices. They don’t import American chicken because the cost difference would destroy the local farms.
They banned it because they didn’t want poultry processors to get lazy about other hygiene practices.
It’s often used to conceal the fact that the chicken is riddled with e. coli.
It’s to kill the e. coli? Not “conceal” it?
Chlorine washing doesn’t kill off all pathogens, it only suppresses them so that they no longer show up in standard tests. In other words, chlorine washing conceals the presence of pathogens.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/13/science-on-safety-of-chlorinated-chicken-misunderstood "But the academics point to research published last year which found washing food in bleach does not kill many of the pathogens that cause food poisoning. Instead, it sends them into a “viable but non-culturable state”, which means they are not picked up in standard tests, which take a sample of the food and try to culture any germs on it.
The presence of the pathogens is thus masked by the bleach, but they are still dangerous to human health.
Erik Millstone, professor of science policy at Sussex University and co-author of the briefing, told the Guardian lives would be at stake if food based on these lower standards were sold in the UK. “I am satisfied [by the evidence] that US food poisoning cases are significantly higher than in the UK. A minority of people suffer fatal complications,” he said. “There will certainly be fatalities, and they typically affect vulnerable people, such as infants, small children and the elderly.”"
No, it all does. It’s not Safe. You can stick it up your bum.
“La la la I make up my own facts” is an embarrassing stance to upvote, let alone put forth as an honest argument.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47440562
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7015476/
There’s ongoing study about safe exposure levels, but the usefulness of animal studies is limited (mice are a poor metabolic analogue). The World Health Organization stands by 0.7mg/liter in water for chlorate and the key thing being looked at is how much remains on food as residue.
No one is saying the chlorine is unsafe. Do you think they don’t treat municipal water in the UK? They do. This is about chlorinating chicken as part of processing, and the reasons it isn’t needed in the UK and is in the US are in your own BBC article.
And as far as I’m concerned, none of that matters. The UK has a set of standards you must meet to sell chicken there. If you want to sell your chicken, meet their standards. My country requires labeling in French for a variety of products. Same thing. If you want to sell those things here, get labels with French.
Literally the person I am replying to is saying it’s unsafe.
They say “it”. One could assume it refers to the chlorine, or one could assume it’s the banned product that is treated with chlorine. Which one someone decides they’re referring to probably has to do with how disingenuous that person is being, given the rest of the topic is about chlorinated chicken and not the process itself.
They don’t import American chicken because the cost difference would destroy the local farms.
Surely the local farms can produce chickens cheaper than importing them across the Atlantic. I know we have cheap goods here, but not that cheap.
Had cheap goods. With the way our food costs have exploded in the last five years we almost certainly wouldn’t have leverage over local production.
Ignoring that, the behavior that protectionist trade laws are avoiding is: Country A using tax subsidies to artifically deflate the cost of a good, flooding the market of Country B where it isn’t subsidized and eventually putting the producers there out of business so they become reliant on trade with Country A. Protectionism like this isn’t wrong, but people generally don’t like being told that they’re being barred from less expensive options so it gets dressed up in nationalism.
Yeah not going to be buying that shit, no thank you
What about your local chippy, restaurant, bakery etc…?
They will obscure its origin then.
Except that’s not how it works in UK, you have to list the country of origin on the packaging and if that somehow gets repealed, you still have local suppliers who actually tell you from which farm items come from that you can verify yourself.
yes there are ways around alot of this, but they take time to implement and those of us who care will find a way to avoid. Which i fully intend to.
I urge you to learn about olive oil fraud.
