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    I don’t think you understand.

    1000001812

    https://www.democracynow.org/2025/6/16/no_kings

    just pointing out, Scotland only has 5.5 million people living in it.

    1000001813

    that would mean for Scotland to “do a better job at protesting this fuck than the US.” every single man, woman, child and elder would have to be in your streets right now.

    how shit is that, you can’t even organize 5 million people for a simple protest.

    update: I’m not even going to wait on this because the numbers are abysmal. Edinburgh is calling in “hundreds” of protestors and I’ll give the benefit of the doubt to Scotland and say there’s 1000 protestors nationwide.

    many of you twats argued it should be measured by per capita, so let’s do that.

    Scotland

    • population 5,500,000
    • trump golf protest 1000
    • per capita 0.00018

    in comparison to the US.

    • population 347,411,739
    • no kings 5,000,000
    • per capita 0.014

    but hey, it’s not a competition, I just don’t like it when someone denigrates the efforts of people to make themselves feel better. I know what you’re thinking, “aren’t you being a little hypocritical?” no I’m not, because I’m simply calling out bullshit with facts.

    those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

    don’t like it? tough shit. next time don’t talk shit and there won’t be shit.

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      God I hate that term, surplus, like humans are all fucking cattle and nothing but fodder for the material machine.

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      I just wanted to say that this, along with the rest of your comments in this thread, have proven to be the most inane series of arguments I’ve seen lately.

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      Yes Scotland has a population of approx 5.5M so in order to have a higher percentage of the population protesting they’d need to have 80K people take to the streets just like Greenland would need 760 people to outperform the states.

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        yes, per capita. do you know why protests aren’t measured by per capita, right?

        please tell me you understand why per capita is a bad metric to distinguish protests…

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          But that perspective matters a whole f** lot. Talking about a percentual mobilisation of people is quite relevant, you know, even if it’s harder to organise a protest in a territory as vast as USA.

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            stop being an idiot.

            per capita matters when you’re dealing with inequalities or averages across a nation.

            protests are measured by participants or volume. this is because the whole point of a protest is to convey a message by display of force.

            you think someone will look at a protest and go, “looks like 1% of the population of the nation is here.”

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              Yeah people within a country will talk raw numbers, but it’s a fucking stupid way to compare mobilisation between countries. 100000 in the Scottish media looks a lot more impressive than 5m on an American news station. At this point I’m not sure wether your trolling or huffing solvents.

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                so now we’re talking about volume over mobilization.

                so 5 million over 2100 cities isn’t impressive enough?

                keep moving those goal posts troll.

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              You stop being a fucking moron. Of course it’s a valid measure of public opinion and engagement. The point is to display force relative to the size of the entity being protested. Take the Serbian or Georgian protests. A whole lot more impressive. If you can’t see that no one can help you.

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                just an update for you since it’s so important that you’re goal posts are moved. multiple sources claim hundreds of protestors showed up in Edinburgh. I’ll (generously) top it out at 1000 protestors nationwide.

                Scotland

                • population 5,500,000
                • trump golf protest 1000
                • per capita 0.00018

                in comparison to the US.

                • population 347,411,739
                • no kings 5,000,000
                • per capita 0.014

                but hey, it’s not a competition.

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                  When did I say otherwise? Of course you’re not gonna get mass protests in Scotland because a corrupted American rapist goes there surroundes by cops.

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                    You stop being a fucking moron. Of course it’s a valid measure of public opinion and engagement. The point is to display force relative to the size of the entity being protested. Take the Serbian or Georgian protests. A whole lot more impressive. If you can’t see that no one can help you.

                    are you even trying? you’re just moving those goal posts now. they’re halfway across the parking lot now.

                    I don’t know what I expected out of you. I guess silence would have been nice. I don’t even expect a “you were right”. I mean it’d be nice, but I know your ego and pride won’t allow that to happen.

                    I guess just go crawl back under your bridge and block me?

                    either way, get wrecked dude.

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                what’s more impressive for a protest:

                1. 100% of a national population
                2. 5 million from a national population

                Jesus the next thing you’re going to tell me is that a pound of feathers is less than a pound of gold.

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          Protests are measured in raw numbers because if you said 1.4% of the population of the usa gave enough of a fuck to turn up, it would show just how little you people care about What’s happening in your country. And if you compare that to the protests Georgians had about the Russification of their government, they had raw numbers of around 169000 at the low end, but that’s over 4% of their population. So yeah if you want your passive population to seem politically engaged, by all means use the raw numbers, but nobody’s impressed when the survival of your country is on the line and only 1.4% can be bothered showing up.

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            just an update for you since it’s so important that you’re goal posts are moved. multiple sources claim hundreds of protestors showed up in Edinburgh. I’ll (generously) top it out at 1000 protestors nationwide.

            Scotland

            • population 5,500,000
            • trump golf protest 1000
            • per capita 0.00018

            in comparison to the US.

            • population 347,411,739
            • no kings 5,000,000
            • per capita 0.014

            but hey, it’s not a competition.

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              You realise that Donald kiddie fiddler Trump isn’t the president of Scotland right? He’s objectively your fucking problem. You ought to be grateful for any foreign countries who want to help out. I never said there were proportionally more people protesting in Scotland.

              If you look back at the comments, I’ve only ever argued with your position that any country that doesn’t field 5M protesters isn’t outperforming the states. Which, by the way, is still some grade A stupidity. I’ve no fucking idea how many people showed up, but as previously mentioned trump is definitely more of a problem for the USA than anyone else so I genuinely wouldn’t expect that many to show up.

              However if the first minister of Scotland did even half the shit trump’s done, Edinburgh would fucking burn with the riots.

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                  Stop fucking doing that, moderator! Silencing opinions is literally what fascists do, how the fuck do you expect to change shit when you refuse people to even speak their minds?

                  The guy’s obviously a doofus, by silencing them you are effectively protecting them from making assholes of themselves, while turning this shithole into another echo chamber.

                  You might as well be /r/conservatism, or /r/pyongyang, that’s what they do to dissenting opinion!

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                  Of course numbers per capita make more sense. That’s been my point the whole time. I’m not trying to gaslight anyone. And you know sometimes the USA needs to be reminded that they aren’t “all that”, because apparently American exceptionalism extends to arguing about protest turn out with random people online.

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        just an update for you since it’s so important that you’re goal posts are moved. multiple sources claim hundreds of protestors showed up in Edinburgh. I’ll (generously) top it out at 1000 protestors nationwide.

        Scotland

        • population 5,500,000
        • trump golf protest 1000
        • per capita 0.00018

        in comparison to the US.

        • population 347,411,739
        • no kings 5,000,000
        • per capita 0.014

        but hey, it’s not a competition.

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          And nuance doesn’t exist right?

          Just those 3 numbers tell the entire story. No other differing variables to consider at all. Nailed it.

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      I think they meant as a percentage of the population. Americans with the second amendment are notoriously docile little pups when it comes to protesting anything, let alone the illegitimately installed head of their state actively destroying their country their are so notoriously patriotic about.

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        It’s because they convinced those people to vote for him. At least 1/3 of the country loves this guy, and a lot of people are scared of ICE or that other 1/3. None of those problems exist there.

        More people should be active, but I’m not a fan of just shitting on everything people do because it’s not enough. That’s a quick easy to make people stop doing anything.

        The “No Kings” protests on June 14, 2025, are estimated to be among the largest single-day demonstrations in U.S. history, potentially exceeding the 2017 Women’s March in turnout. Data journalist G. Elliott Morris of Strength in Numbers estimates that between 4 and 6 million people participated in the “No Kings” events across the country. This would represent approximately 1.2-1.8% of the U.S. population.

        That’s impressive, we shouldn’t be shitting on it as not enough.

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          I’m not shitting on it, and it is not enough at the same time.

          I’m amazed at the yanks coming out of the woodwork in this thread.

          You as a collective citizenry have not stepped up. At all. Barely ⅓ voted for him. Probably closer to 20~25% liked him over the other. I’m sure that’s gone down significantly.

          There is not a single person outside the US who is watching this who thinks the yanks are doing enough. It’s great there was one big protest, but it is a far cry from a proportionate response to the crisis levelled at you.

          Instead of attacking people here on Lemmy, I would organise. This isn’t shaming or slamming, it is constructive criticism because as much as we would all want to, we aren’t in any capacity to come land on your beaches anytime soon. And half of you still thinks the midterms will bring reason and mediation to this madness.

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        Are you suggesting that people just open fire on one of the most protected individuals in the world? How do you suppose that would play out in reality?

        I think 2a is a joke and those that have used it as a crutch for these specific moments are a bunch of hypocrites, but attempting to actually assassinate the POTUS is not realistic at all. I’d cut them some slack if they exercised their rights to stop the indiscriminate kidnappings by ICE, but here we are.

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          Well, that’s how things happen in France, Syria and a lot of other places historically. It’s already played out twice in the last year.

          And because of the complete complacency in the citizenry first with Citizens United, then the failure to hold him to criminal account for his many crimes and endless quid pro quo, and the stacking of the supreme court turning him into a king, the bullet is actually the only way to stop him. That or waiting till he collapses, which could be a while.

          There are no more elections or protests to get rid of him. The concentration camps are being built and filled. The only thing left is to get all your highly individualised asses who don’t even know the concept and power of unions and banding together and form a militia.

          The complacency is absolutely insane to see from abroad.

          PS: and learn from JFK: have multiple shooters not just one.

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            thank you for telling Americans how they are being Americans wrong from the comfort of your own country.

            it swells my heart with pride knowing that a Frenchman is telling my countrymen how to be more American by assassinating their leaders. going as far as glorifying the assassination of one of our most beloved leaders as a blueprint.

            we will gladly risk life imprisonment at a darksite in a tiny windowless cell, where we will never see our families or loved ones again. All because YOU said we should do it.

            we will risk death so that you can go back to feeling slightly less inconvenienced in your country, France.

            can you please forgive us lowly peasants for ever questioning you?

            suck my dick

            it’s fucking hilarious that of all the Europeans to come this hard at Americans, it’s the fucking French. leave it to the Frenchman to tell someone else to die for a cause they don’t have a cause in. no fear of death, nor retribution, nor punishment.

            will you open your country to my family after the deed is done? I will most likely parish, and my family would be hunted down and killed like animals, if not by the government then by the fanatics. would you risk an open war with America and fight for the protection of my loved ones? Would you feed them, clothe them. Would you allow your countrymen to die for them? would YOU die for them?

            I didn’t think so.

            Ceux qui croient à des absurdités commettront des atrocités.

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              As an American: you should shut the fuck up with the French stereotypes. Using those tropes and stereotypes as a serious insult or attack only serves to prove your own (stereotypically American) deep ignorance of French history and culture.

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                I wasn’t using stereotypes. I was using historical references to how the French refused to aid America in the revolutionary war unless they directly gained from it.

                I was also alluding to how the French aristocracy used to starve the peasants and overindulge.

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                They’re both kinda wrong. There are plenty of protests in the US, just not reported as much because the media works with the administration.

                Their response suggests that they think the French have never sacrificed their lives for anything, which is absolutely stupid.

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                  it was a tongue in cheek reference to how the French initially refused to get involved in the American revolutionary war until they directly benefited from it.

                  and how they would allow their own people to starve while the aristocracy overindulged.

                  I also thought it was particularly indignant for someone in another country to tell me, an American, what I should sacrifice and how I should rebel when they don’t know the first thing about what my country is going through. they don’t live here, they don’t know what every day is like. they don’t understand the risks.

                  I think it’s a pretty funny that Europeans praise unity and solidarity and then attack Americans just because they’re Americans. I used to think that Europe was light years ahead of us, but now I’m thinking you’re just as fractured and broken as us.

                  I wonder who will come to your aid when Russia starts expanding? surely they won’t expect the fascist loving all knowing piece of shit Americans to help.

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                    The French monarchy refused to get involved until it benefited him. Which has fuck all to do with any modern Frenchman’s to opinions.

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                    We (as in the rest of the world) definitely do have a better understanding of you than you do of us. That’s what happens when a country that thinks it’s always right meddles with everyone else’s business.

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        Let’s do per capita then:

        “hundreds of protesters” (we’ll round up to 1000) of 5.5 million => 0.018%

        5 million of 347 million => 1.4%

        I assume the original comment was a joke but glad you to get to feel so high and mighty about it.

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          I’m really not sure what you’re trying to prove.

          In one country 0.018% rocks up at a moment’s notice for a guy they could care less about and has no real effect on their lives, isn’t deporting their families or screwing them out of medicare. He’s not disrespecting their vets or pulling them off food stamps. He’s coming over to golf, that’s the extent of the relation.

          They just don’t like him and will make some time on whatever Sunday he rocks up to tell him that.

          Compare that to to 1.4% (barely 100x more) protesting after years of crimes, n and proud admissions of rape, child molestation, cheating at 3 elections, being illegitimate installed as president right now, impeachments, thousands of illegal deportations of fellow citizens or countrymen, complete bonkers enrichment with crypto scams, gross incompetence on lots of levels, including militarily and economically, embroiled in scandal after scandal

          So after MONTHS of organising, there were 2 protests which had over 1% of the population out on the streets. And now… nothing. Not even a general strike. Because the free markets are so free, you freely would like to express your freedom of expression if you only were actually free.

          Have a look at when that magical 1% threshold was breached in other countries historically and for what reasons.

          And while you’re there, look at what happened after. Typically when you have 1% protests, they are met with action from the goverment. Promises and changes are made to appease the protesters. Back in the USA, they went home, and stayed home. Deportations continued afterwards. And then a bill was signed to make ICE the new gestapo and become the biggest domestic paramilitary organisation in the world.

          Not sure why anyone would ever try to claim “Americans are great protesters, and love civil action”.

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            When it comes to collective, coordinated, public opposition to a government: 1% is noteworthy, 3% is a crisis, more is a revolution.

            The rest of your comment is glorified hot air.

            Why not organize a simple general strike” actually laughing out loud at that one.

            200 million+ people, in a country with many laws specifically designed to curtail general striking, with no trusted access to each other, dispersed over thousands of miles, with all social support networks carefully dismantled over decades, with most of them living paycheck to paycheck and 0 social saftey net…

            Should just nod at each other and agree not to work tomorrow. Clearly a lack of moral fiber in those bloody Yanks 🧐

            If you really think your opinions hold any water on a wildly different country halfway across the globe, just keep your mouth shut. Unless you want to keep making a fool of yourself I guess.

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              Easier to argue with me than actually doing something hey?

              You’re making my point: the level of constitutional crisis you’re at snd have been at for at least a year, warrants slightly more than a twice “noteworthy” protest. That’s the argument.

              You can lay off the personalised attacks, I’m just explaining the core point, which you exemplify perfectly: yanks will find excuse after excuse not to make meaningful social change vs any other western democracy.

              And it’s 300+ million. And all the other reasons hopefully will soon begin becoming reasons to go and not excuses to not go.

              People aren’t calling you names, they’re just genuinely wondering how much worse you need before things get to your magical 3% threshold.

              Because it’s pretty bad.

              I mean you’re lashing out at me, that’s how bad, and you’ve never done that before.

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                You have no clue what I’m doing, and I couldn’t be making your argument because you don’t have an argument. You’re just lobbing complaints at a strawman 'Murican with no basis in reality.

                I didn’t say 300 because some people did vote for him and are genuinely locked in their isolation bubble. If you think well over 50% of the population doesn’t count as a crippling general strike, I don’t know what to tell you.

                And having the gall to compare a few hundred people showing up to protest a golf outing to organizing a seismic political shift in a massive country is absurd. It’s the pinnacle of throwing stones in glass houses while the UK meekly accepts digital privacy surveillance and suppression of political speech on Gaza. Where’s your fucking critique of that???

                Apparently just laying out the facts of life in America is making an excuse. Nowhere did I say we should lay down and take it, but you armchair political activists aren’t happy unless you see headlines about car bombs or some shit. God forbid you adjust yourself to the context of reality, just shout loudmouth transatlantic complaints. The lack of self-awareness is incredible, you’ve become your own despised Fox News caricature.

                People aren’t calling you names”, no it’s way worse than that. They’re trying to direct how I should act in my own country about matters that, at best, only tangentially concern them. That’s why you should keep your mouth shut. Worry about how your own damn government is reacting to tariffs and NATO balancing and not how I need to fix my political nightmare for your personal peace of mind.

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              Sorry to hear your american ass couldn’t read all of my response. I’ll try to be briefer next time.

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                I’m just making fun of your dumb statement, not trying to address anything else.

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      America’s compulsive need to always be right is why you deserve Trump. He is the exact essence of your country.

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        I deserve Trump? I voted against him and actively engage with my local government to stop this. Everyone who voted against this deserves Trump? You’re ready to just write off everyone in the country? Fuck em all?

        Fuck, you’re just as bad as him.

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        you can’t even argue with facts so you attack me for being right?

        pathetic.

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          Using absolute numbers when describing turnout rather than proportion is completely nonsensical. It’s clear you are not going to discuss in good faith.

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            the original comment didn’t mention anything about proportion or per capita. you just assumed that’s what they meant because you can’t argue numbers after I presented the real numbers.

            comment figuratively tried to compare apples to apples, so I gave fair comparison with context.

            how do you like them apples

            I guess after the protests I’ll have to come back and show you even by per capita Scotland still failed to bolster the support we “weak Americans” gathered.

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              I guess you prefer dunking on people online to doing anything about your fascist leaders and neighbours.

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                just an update for you since it’s so important that you’re goal posts are moved. multiple sources claim hundreds of protestors showed up in Edinburgh. I’ll (generously) top it out at 1000 protestors nationwide.

                Scotland

                • population 5,500,000
                • trump golf protest 1000
                • per capita 0.00018

                in comparison to the US.

                • population 347,411,739
                • no kings 5,000,000
                • per capita 0.014

                but hey, it’s not a competition.

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      that would mean for Scotland to “do a better job at protesting this fuck than the US.” every single man, woman, child and elder would have to be in your streets right now.

      This. Is. Not. How. It. Works.

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      Ahh shhh don’t tell the random hater on the web the truth their brain might just POP…we are protesting in the millions…