Commenting on the incident, Noemi Di Segni, the president of the Union of Italian Jewish Communities, said: “If simply being visibly Jewish is enough to provoke such a violent attack – if a family cannot safely move through public spaces in this country – then the legitimisation of hatred and antisemitism has become viral. This is about everyone’s freedom being at risk. Holding on to respect and dignity for every person is the only path that protects us all.”
Yah, well let us start with Palestine and the Palestinian people, Noemi. These incidences are purely perpetuated by Israel’s actions. This statement shows zero self-awareness of the plight Israel is causing in the world.
This man is a french citizen. How is he reponsible for anything Israelis do? How come that racism is ok if the target of the racism is of the Jewish faith?
This is an innocent family being attacked by racist and you are telling us that’s ok. Disgusting.
Israelis are largely from Europe and the US and many have dual nationalities. A French citizen can also be an Israeli and even if thats not the case here, Israel has generous citizenship laws for Jews so it’s trivial for them to make Aliyah and obtain an Israeli passport.
So what? Does the family have Israeli citizenship? If not, what is your argument? They might one day become Israelis so it’s ok to attack them today?
And even if they are Israelis, how do you and the racists know what the families stance on the the matter is? Is a leftist Israeli that opposes his government and their action guilty just because he was born?
The assailants condemed them for their heritage, Because their heritage is all they knew about them. That is the textbook definition of racism.
No of course it doesn’t justify violence. My point is that unless they have explicitly renounced Zionism it is reasonable to assume that they support Israel.
Israel has completely and deliberately ensconced itself in Jewish identity such that religion and ideology are largely inseparable.
it is reasonable to assume that they support Israel.
Okay two things:
Even then, attacking people for what you assume they think is nothing short of mob terror and morally reprehensible. What evidence do you have of his wrongdoing?
You have no idea if they did denounce Zionism previously. Maybe they did on social media or to their friends and family or whatever, or maybe they didn’t to avoid backlash. You know nothing about this person except that they got attacked at a gas station for wearing a kippah and you’re going on about Zionism. Like, take a look in the fucking mirror because what you’re pushing is getting dangerously close to Jewish collective guilt. I have a burning and more than a little bloodthirsty hatred for Zionism and Zionists, but let’s not get our shit mixed up okay? Just because the status quo is bad doesn’t mean that a repeat of this would be good, so stop playing into Zionists’ hand with this nonsense.
You make good points and I see you’re arguing in good faith.
I’m just weary of Zionist propaganda that paints any attack on Jews as 1938 rebooted. Im thinking specifically of the football match with Maccabi thugs in Amsterdam last year that was spun by Western Corporate media as Kristallnacht 2.0.
Or the demonisation of Bob Vylan for chanting “death to the IDF”
Zionists love to weaponise these as evidence of a global antisemitism surge which helps to silence voices against the genocide and encourage Israel to literally get away with murder.
Many if not most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi, particularly Eastern Europe. The original Zionists and settler colonists were almost exclusively from Europe.
Also “Mizrahi” are Arab Jews whose identity has been stripped by Zionism. Avi Shlaim writes a lot about this in his book Three Worlds: Memoirs of an Arab-Jew.
People will tend to vent their frustrations where they are. They aren’t buying tickets to Palestine to fight the Israelis against genocide and famine there.
This incident likely would not have happened without Israel’s actions against the Palestinian people. By totally ignoring that, you seem to be defending famine and genocide. Right?
Commenting on the incident, Noemi Di Segni, the president of the Union of Italian Jewish Communities, said: “If simply being visibly Jewish is enough to provoke such a violent attack – if a family cannot safely move through public spaces in this country – then the legitimisation of hatred and antisemitism has become viral. This is about everyone’s freedom being at risk. Holding on to respect and dignity for every person is the only path that protects us all.”
Yah, well let us start with Palestine and the Palestinian people, Noemi. These incidences are purely perpetuated by Israel’s actions. This statement shows zero self-awareness of the plight Israel is causing in the world.
Two things can be wrong at the same time.
This man is a french citizen. How is he reponsible for anything Israelis do? How come that racism is ok if the target of the racism is of the Jewish faith?
This is an innocent family being attacked by racist and you are telling us that’s ok. Disgusting.
Israelis are largely from Europe and the US and many have dual nationalities. A French citizen can also be an Israeli and even if thats not the case here, Israel has generous citizenship laws for Jews so it’s trivial for them to make Aliyah and obtain an Israeli passport.
So what? Does the family have Israeli citizenship? If not, what is your argument? They might one day become Israelis so it’s ok to attack them today?
And even if they are Israelis, how do you and the racists know what the families stance on the the matter is? Is a leftist Israeli that opposes his government and their action guilty just because he was born?
The assailants condemed them for their heritage, Because their heritage is all they knew about them. That is the textbook definition of racism.
No of course it doesn’t justify violence. My point is that unless they have explicitly renounced Zionism it is reasonable to assume that they support Israel.
Israel has completely and deliberately ensconced itself in Jewish identity such that religion and ideology are largely inseparable.
Okay two things:
Even then, attacking people for what you assume they think is nothing short of mob terror and morally reprehensible. What evidence do you have of his wrongdoing?
You have no idea if they did denounce Zionism previously. Maybe they did on social media or to their friends and family or whatever, or maybe they didn’t to avoid backlash. You know nothing about this person except that they got attacked at a gas station for wearing a kippah and you’re going on about Zionism. Like, take a look in the fucking mirror because what you’re pushing is getting dangerously close to Jewish collective guilt. I have a burning and more than a little bloodthirsty hatred for Zionism and Zionists, but let’s not get our shit mixed up okay? Just because the status quo is bad doesn’t mean that a repeat of this would be good, so stop playing into Zionists’ hand with this nonsense.
You make good points and I see you’re arguing in good faith.
I’m just weary of Zionist propaganda that paints any attack on Jews as 1938 rebooted. Im thinking specifically of the football match with Maccabi thugs in Amsterdam last year that was spun by Western Corporate media as Kristallnacht 2.0.
Or the demonisation of Bob Vylan for chanting “death to the IDF”
Zionists love to weaponise these as evidence of a global antisemitism surge which helps to silence voices against the genocide and encourage Israel to literally get away with murder.
Most Israelis are Mizrahi Jews without any connection to Europe
Many if not most Israeli Jews are Ashkenazi, particularly Eastern Europe. The original Zionists and settler colonists were almost exclusively from Europe.
Also “Mizrahi” are Arab Jews whose identity has been stripped by Zionism. Avi Shlaim writes a lot about this in his book Three Worlds: Memoirs of an Arab-Jew.
Did I say it was “okay”? I didn’t, but the blame of Jewish ire should be focused properly. On Israel and Netanyahu.
Blame the fucking racists. The fact that Israel is guilty for the atrocities in Gaza and the West-Bank is no excuse for attacking a french family.
People will tend to vent their frustrations where they are. They aren’t buying tickets to Palestine to fight the Israelis against genocide and famine there.
No. “People” won’t do that. F-ing racists do that and you are defending them.
This incident likely would not have happened without Israel’s actions against the Palestinian people. By totally ignoring that, you seem to be defending famine and genocide. Right?
The craziest part is this guy was accurately identifying who was at fault just a few years ago:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/italian-jewish-leader-assails-israeli-policies-in-speech-attended-by-netanyahu/
Like, he was literally warning people that Israel’s actions would lead to this, this happened, and he forgot why.
REALLY important to distinguish between a country wrapping itself in a religion and the religion itself.
Israel is responsible for the violence, and is a Jewish state. However, not all Jews are Israeli.