I mean, there’s still shit like the promotion of slavery, stoning of gays, and subjugation of women that would lead us into a lot of the same issues we’re having today; but without the plethora of other to keep us all distracted, we’d probably have made a lot more progress against even those remaining few.
That is a lie. Acknowledging that it’s happening is addressing it. Addressing the slaves directly and telling them to be obedient is promoting it.
The Bible does the latter.
Put those instructions in any other context: if I told the kids trafficked to Epstein’s island to give Trump the best blowjob they could, would I be addressing pedophilia or promoting it? If you were being chased by a man wielding a knife, and I told you to stop running and just let him stab you to death, would I be addressing murder, or promoting it? If I told my political representatives to keep sending bombs to Israel for them to continue turning Gaza into a crater, would I be addressing genocide, or promoting it?
Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.
Doesn’t sound like Trump/Epstein, knife wielding, or bombing gazans behaviour to me.
1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine, in accordance with the gospel of the glory of the blessed God with which I have been entrusted.
Masters, do the same to them, and stop your threatening, knowing that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and that there is no partiality with him.
Doesn’t sound like Trump/Epstein, knife wielding, or bombing gazans behaviour to me.
Ah, right. I forgot to give the follow up instructions for Trump to give his sex slave a nice pat on the back for a good sloppy finish, the knife murderer clean your corpse up nicely for the funeral, and Israel to send some ibuprofen to the hospital they just leveled. Surely that justifies the preceding act!
It is not possible, nor has it ever been possible, for a slaver to treat a slave with respect or dignity. Making sure to feed and water them regularly and give a smiley “good morning!” every now and then isn’t going to justify keeping them as a slave. Suggesting that is does is - drumroll - promoting slavery!
the law is not laid down for the just, but for the… …enslavers,
First of, if fucking only. Legality and morality are very frequently at odds with each other, slavery being a prime example, and a great illustration of why the opener to that verse is absolute bullshit: slavery was legal. The holocaust was legal. Manifest destiny was legal. That doesn’t make any of them ‘good’.
And second, a contradiction in the Bible?! Dude those are a dime a dozen. Nice to see it called out as a negative in another section I guess, but being ambiguous about it isn’t the same as condemning it. To the contrary, I’d wager that shit is by design: if it was too overtly evil people wouldn’t follow it… gotta bake in some plausible deniability. …and even that has the cherry on top of hatred for homosexuals in the same sentence by lumping them in with murderers and slavers.
I said earlier that the Bible advocates for some evil shit - that was an understatement. It’s really good at advocating for evil shit. So good at it that the people it tricks into carrying out the evil shit think that what they’re doing is somehow moral or even benevolent. It’s got evil down to a science. There was a time when I fell into that trap too. I get it. You think you’re doing good. Take the contradictions like the one you highlighted as proof of inconsistency. And dig. There are a an absolute ton of them in scripture. If your only exposure to it are the verses your preacher is spitting at you, you are NOT getting the whole story. Read it yourself. Consider the implications on your life of each statement it makes. Consider what it’s compelling you to do to others - and I don’t mean some vague ‘love thy neighbor’ shit, but specifically how are you being taught to think about different groups of people, or whether you do things like vote against or in support of those people. …and be careful when you start to find things that make you uncomfortable or start to think critically of the religion: it’s a closed community that doesn’t respond well to dissent, so if you say the wrong thing to a religious authority figure or even family member you could find yourself in a violent situation with all of your current support networks rugpulled from beneath you. It’s fucking terrifying.
I mean, there’s still shit like the promotion of slavery, stoning of gays, and subjugation of women that would lead us into a lot of the same issues we’re having today; but without the plethora of other to keep us all distracted, we’d probably have made a lot more progress against even those remaining few.
So, better, but still not good.
The Bible doesn’t promote slavery or the subjugation of women, the stonings are the old levitical law.
Than wtf is this shit? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Eph+6%3A5-9%3B+Col+3%3A22-4%3A1%3B+1+Tim+6%3A1-2%3B+Tit+2%3A9-10%3B+1+Pet+2%3A18-20&version=NRSVUE
That’s not promoting slavery. It’s addressing slavery that’s already happening.
Also worth mentioning this isn’t like chattel slavery
Ah, because if the slavery is in the now, it’s OK.
Promoting slavery that’s actively happening is still promoting slavery.
It’s addressing it. Not promoting it.
That is a lie. Acknowledging that it’s happening is addressing it. Addressing the slaves directly and telling them to be obedient is promoting it.
The Bible does the latter.
Put those instructions in any other context: if I told the kids trafficked to Epstein’s island to give Trump the best blowjob they could, would I be addressing pedophilia or promoting it? If you were being chased by a man wielding a knife, and I told you to stop running and just let him stab you to death, would I be addressing murder, or promoting it? If I told my political representatives to keep sending bombs to Israel for them to continue turning Gaza into a crater, would I be addressing genocide, or promoting it?
The Bible advocates for some evil shit.
Ephesians 6:9 ESV
Doesn’t sound like Trump/Epstein, knife wielding, or bombing gazans behaviour to me.
1 Timothy 1:8-11 ESV
Ah, right. I forgot to give the follow up instructions for Trump to give his sex slave a nice pat on the back for a good sloppy finish, the knife murderer clean your corpse up nicely for the funeral, and Israel to send some ibuprofen to the hospital they just leveled. Surely that justifies the preceding act!
It is not possible, nor has it ever been possible, for a slaver to treat a slave with respect or dignity. Making sure to feed and water them regularly and give a smiley “good morning!” every now and then isn’t going to justify keeping them as a slave. Suggesting that is does is - drumroll - promoting slavery!
First of, if fucking only. Legality and morality are very frequently at odds with each other, slavery being a prime example, and a great illustration of why the opener to that verse is absolute bullshit: slavery was legal. The holocaust was legal. Manifest destiny was legal. That doesn’t make any of them ‘good’.
And second, a contradiction in the Bible?! Dude those are a dime a dozen. Nice to see it called out as a negative in another section I guess, but being ambiguous about it isn’t the same as condemning it. To the contrary, I’d wager that shit is by design: if it was too overtly evil people wouldn’t follow it… gotta bake in some plausible deniability. …and even that has the cherry on top of hatred for homosexuals in the same sentence by lumping them in with murderers and slavers.
I said earlier that the Bible advocates for some evil shit - that was an understatement. It’s really good at advocating for evil shit. So good at it that the people it tricks into carrying out the evil shit think that what they’re doing is somehow moral or even benevolent. It’s got evil down to a science. There was a time when I fell into that trap too. I get it. You think you’re doing good. Take the contradictions like the one you highlighted as proof of inconsistency. And dig. There are a an absolute ton of them in scripture. If your only exposure to it are the verses your preacher is spitting at you, you are NOT getting the whole story. Read it yourself. Consider the implications on your life of each statement it makes. Consider what it’s compelling you to do to others - and I don’t mean some vague ‘love thy neighbor’ shit, but specifically how are you being taught to think about different groups of people, or whether you do things like vote against or in support of those people. …and be careful when you start to find things that make you uncomfortable or start to think critically of the religion: it’s a closed community that doesn’t respond well to dissent, so if you say the wrong thing to a religious authority figure or even family member you could find yourself in a violent situation with all of your current support networks rugpulled from beneath you. It’s fucking terrifying.