We have so many houses going unused. We have food and resources for everybody, but we’ve set up a system that arbitrarily concentrates most of it on a few people! Young children, with no understanding why society is this way, are suffering and dying because they live in a world that collectively agrees to let this happen unnecessarily
Fuck, I’m stoned but you know I’m right
Edit: and the sad thought hits me: the first step is realizing the system doesn’t have to be this way, the second step is realizing it isn’t going to change, at least not any time soon
Every year capitalists kill 10 million people by withholding food, medicine, and clean water. All because it isn’t profitable to them personally.
10 million in the usa? or where?
Those are the worldwide numbers for starvation and preventable disease, roughly.
This. This is the reality and the root cause of a lot of the issues regarding homelessness, starvation and preventable illness in the world.
Aggressive capitalists value money more than anyone’s, and everyone’s life.
They will let you die to bump their profits a fraction of a percent.
Just FYI this is a tankie account.
To put in the words of someone I truly hate, someone I deeply despise, someone who used to be part of my friends discord group but is thankfully gone now:
“You can’t have winners without there being losers”.
This. This is how such people see the world, and in their eyes, perfectly justify inequality.
Probably throw in a bit of “just world” delusion in the mix, to make things worse.
The less organized and fragmented the populous, the easier it is for the rich to take advantage of us.
Actually, it’s because of capitalism. It’s not a good reason but it is the reason. Everybody knows that we throw away food every single day that could literally feed the whole planet twice over. Everyone knows that we can manage to put everyone under a roof. The billionares sure as hell know this but they want to keep the status quo because they know as long as nobody actually does anything about it, they’ll always be the 1% with everything—and so the rat race continues.
I can tell you right now why nothing happens. Because those of us who have housing and a solid life are terrified it will be taken away if others are given what they worked for (I realize this to be false, however it’s a very common sentiment among 30-40 year olds who own homes or property of any kind).
So, they keep voting for farther and farther right politicians because the left wants to “take your guns, land, and make you live under communism!” This is a non-exaggerated thought process of how a lot of people think.
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Fuck that i only have a house so i don’t have to pay someone else’s mortgage.
I bought it the wrong time. I had a house and paid for 15 years lost $200,000 in the sale.
I would have actually done quite well to rent instead.
That sucks real hard.
Reality is rather complicated
A quick look at the Wikipedia article The world’s billionaires will reveal that billionaires have an estimated aggregate net worth of 16 trillion. That’s more than 2,000 dollars for every single human being on this planet. Maybe not as individuals, but as a collective, they literally have the possibility of ending world hunger. And that’s only the richest three thousand or so.
If the world taxed them all only half their wealth (keeping them billionaires) and took the results and invested it in a trust, it could be generating 80 billion a year from only a 1% return. That’s enough to solve world hunger every year twice.
The world doesn’t have a resource problem. It has a billionaire problem.
I recommend a good read: Poverty, by America - Matthew Desmond – Princeton (2023)
~~We imagine that their sufferings are one thing and our life another. – Leo Tolstoy
The passage of Proposition 13 inspired a nationwide revolt that led to Reagan’s 1981 cutting spree. It was a white-led revolt. Only 2 groups opposed Proposition 13: public sector employees and African Americans. Massive tax cuts fundamentally reshaped the agendas of the nation’s 2 major political parties and resulted in the rise of private fortunes alongside public poverty. This was a response to white people being ordered to share public goods with Black people. ~~
How to fix?
In the USA:
We just have to stop spending so much on the rich. Support policies that disrupt poverty, not accommodate it. In 2020, the gap separately everyone in America below the poverty line and the poverty line itself amounted to $177 billion. That’s less that 1% of our GDP.
I’m calling for the rich to pay their taxes. Rebalance our social net. Return to a time when America made bigger investments in the general welfare.
“We need to ask if our consciousness and imagination have been so assaulted and coopted that we have been robbed of the courage or power to think an alternative thought.” - theologian Walter Bruggemann
Make sure all women have access to the best contraception and healthcare, and more pregnancies become intentional and safer. Provide new mothers with paid parental leave and free childcare. A country as wealthy as ours could put our money where our mouth is and support life. But from the poor, we just seem to take and take.~~
Let’s choose businesses that are doing right by their workers and the planet.
Doing the right thing is often highly inconvenient, time-consuming, even costly. That’s the price for our restored humanity.
Prosperity without poverty carries a different feeling. We’d be more free. A nation invested in ending poverty is a nation that is truly committed to freedom.
The worst part is: the wealthiest few of them could each, individually, if they wanted to, end world hunger permanently with their current wealth. Estimates I’ve read range $40b per year or something like $250-300b just once to set up sustainable long-term solutions globally.
Musk, Zuckerberg, or Bezos could end hunger globally and permanently. Any one of them, individually, could do it. If the richest 10 billionaires all pitched in a portion, they’d all recoup everything they spent within a couple years at worst. If the richest 100 did, many of them wouldn’t even notice the expenditure.
But it would only take 1 of them.
Not my line- but you can have billionaires or you can have democracy.
There is a reason, well, at least two reasons. First is greed the second is the greedy ones also enjoy the cruelty.
If not the cruelty they are often convinced (or have convinced themselves) that poverty is deserved, like their opulence is.
Just today there was a post on how most Americans believe poverty is the result of individual choices.
Everyone else already mentioned this… Methinks the fundamental issue is wealth distribution, so yes it is capitalism. I would say it is a “good” reason as it is a major target for sociology research and politicians, and there are active efforts in some countries to reduce inequality so…
I think I was radicated by this back in second year of college… Professor mentioned something like “The US Midwest has enough production capacity to feed the entire world” when a lot of the crops went to beef production, sweeteners, or just waste
This has been an issue for a while and I think Cory Doctorow mentioned it in one of his blog posts? About the Luddites; they were not anti-technology, but saw how the productivity increases would only benefit the rich and wealthy. I suspect the current AI issue is the same, “robots replacing your job” will be a lot more positive if the replaced worker still makes the same amount via basic income/stipend by the government instead of the money being concentrated into OpenAI or Meta or somewhere
… I’ve wanted to talk about these for a while
For those reasons I believe ai will be a net negative for all humanity in a capitalist system. It serves to further enrich billionaires and create a police state for the rest of us.
Now if it wasn’t this way, you could use ai as a tool to potentially do good (im still not a fan of it) but we know this will never happen. So id advise anyone to boycott any ai shit that keeps getting shoved into our faces. I will deny it until I have to go live in a shack in the woods to do so.
the second step is realizing it isn’t going to change, at least not any time soon
No, I will never have this attitude. I refuse to believe that we couldn’t at any moment choose to change our course. The rich and powerful fear it. Believing things won’t change, sooner or later, only benefits them and not us. There is no magical right time for change, there’s only now.
Look at game theory. We have 300m+ Americans operating primarily out of their own self-protection. They’re lied to about what that means. They are divided beyond repair.
3% of the US population protested in July, that wasn’t enough. What would be enough for a revolution you think? How would that go?
Look at history
Edit: apologies for the snarky and unproductive comment, I was hungry.
What I meant is that one of the wonders of the modern propaganda system is making you see everything through the lens of “the system”. If you want to know how oppressive regimes can be overturned, simply look at how it was done before. The French, Russian, American revolutions. Spoiler: it was never pretty.
All this effort of divide and conquer, trying to keep people in a state of fear and panic, etc. kinda shows what they are afraid of.
I can believe things could change any day. Everyone in every country is sick and tired of the rich monkeys in charge. It’s a coordination problem, nothing more nothing less.
Rich want to be richer. Isn’t that a good enough reason?
Fuckin’ socialists, putting the right of poor children to go to school above the right of billionaires to buy another mega yacht.
Reagan pretty much shut down progressivism in the eighties and its only in the new millenium we have seen it come back to a level it could be implemented again. We would be in much better shape if we did not have reaganomics that looked better than it was due to the energy crises no longer being a thing.
It’s because guaranteeing positive rights requires cooperation or coercion. And it turns out we’re not great at cooperation.
It turns out capitalism actively disincentives cooperation. Cooperation is how humanity became the dominant life form. We’re fucking great at it when we don’t have a bunch of leeches siphoning off our surplus value and using that wealth to turn us against each other.
At a small scale, sure. When you reach the size of a country, not so much.
Maybe. We’ve also never had a classless country, so we don’t know for certain how very large groups of humans interact when we are free from the exploitation, division, and oppression that is inherent to class structures.
Why have we never had a classless country?
Because countries didn’t exist when humanity’s mode of production was primitive communism, and then since the agricultural revolution the means of production has always been held by individuals, which necessarily creates at least two classes, those who have, and those who have not.
There have been a few attempts by the people to seize the means of production, but they have always existed within the context of a global class system that prevents any attempt at a truly classless society. (IE, a strong centralized state is necessary to survive reactionary attempts to take back control, but a strong state creates a class system of those who have control vs those who don’t.)
Most Marxists actually acknowledge that after a socialist revolution you will still have class contradictions that society will have to work through, like the potential abuses a strong state can inflict. We generally agree though, that the key first step to creating a classless society is getting the means of production out of the hands of private individuals.
Seems to me if it was our natural tendency to treat everyone in the world the same way we’d treat our family, then it would have prevailed in some capacity, somewhere, after all this time.
Instead, it seems like we’re good at participating in that kind of communism you mentioned within smaller groups, and those groups can cooperate with other groups in increasingly less familial ways as this network of groups grow larger and larger.
I don’t see any evidence that our natural tendency is towards communism.
Right, and my point is that it’s not surprising that you don’t see that evidence (assuming you live in the US or elsewhere in the imperial core), given the effects that class dynamics have on social behavior. By its very nature capitalism alienates people and turns them into individualist consumers. If you travel to more communally-minded places, it’s clear that human nature is very much place- and context- dependent.
It also requires empathy over group belonging
The world is how it is until it doesn’t matter. Suffering is only temporary. Enjoy the time that you have. Can’t take anything with you.
Then explain the tombs of Egyptian Pharoahs?
They thought you could take it with you. But they were wrong
You can’t take anything with you, because the British will rob your tomb and take your stuff back to Britain.
That too
Take anything with you where? Dead is dead, and there’s nothing after.
My point, exactly. No point in hoarding.
Don’t worry, we make up for it by having plenty of bad reasons to keep homelessness and poverty from being solved.
