Party prepared to risk government shutdown and will not support GOP bill unless cuts to healthcare are reversed

It has been nine brutal months for congressional Democrats.

Relegated by voters to the minority in last year’s election, they have been powerless to stop Republicans from acting on Donald Trump’s demands to fund an immigration crackdown, strip money for foreign aid and public media, and downsize Medicaid, which provides healthcare to poor and disabled Americans.

That is set to change next week. Funding for the government expires on Tuesday, but Democrats have refused the GOP’s demands to support legislation keeping it open unless the majority agrees to reverse the Medicaid cuts, restore funding to public media and extend subsidies for Affordable Care Act (ACA) plans.

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    20 hours ago

    I have yet to see any alternative do anything effective.

    Incrementalists make sure that can’t happen.

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      LOL. The lets trade better for worse crowd keeps better things from happening. The alternative have yet to do anything except complain online how if they existed they would do better. There is no try. DO!

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        The lets trade better for worse crowd keeps better things from happening.

        Incrementalists killed the minimum wage increase for you. Incrementalists killed almost all the tangible individual benefits in Build Back Better for you. Incrementalists had it in their power to implement a public option and chose to let people go bankrupt and die for you. Incrementalists love to claim that gay marriage was theirs, but if the courts hadn’t stepped in we’d still be talking about civil unions. Incrementalists love almost nothing more than a false maximum they can claim is the pinnacle.

        The only times I’ve seen incrementalists take decisive action is to block progress and, of course, to sell weapons to their favorite person for their favorite activity.

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          This just ingnores the reality. These were compromises. Yeah that dirty word. You are comparing less good outcome with the alternative which is no wage increases instead of some and no build back better and no obamacare. The problem in all these cases is the republicans. You have to eliminate the worst crap all over you before you can even start getting really clean. If you try rubbing sanitizer on yourself without the soap you will not get rid of the crap and will end up less clean than just the soap.

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            You are comparing less good outcome with the alternative which is no wage increases

            You are playing “got mine and fuck you forever” to everyone who didn’t get the wage increase that only federal workers got because as long as ONE person gets something, incrementalists act like it’s solved forever for everyone.

            You have to eliminate the worst crap all over you before you can even start getting really clean.

            You have to get out of the sewer first. Incrementalists treat a decrease in the rate at which the sewage as rising as a permanent solution. Those of us up to our armpits in the shit they refuse to do anything about, no matter how many times we give their worthless complicit asses majorities aren’t going to accept “look at those people over there whose lives we made better. Your problems are all solved now shut up” with the same level of satisfaction as the person who says it.

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              What are you even talking about with federal workiers??? You were talking minimum wage which at one point did not exist and has gone up regularly although not enough. This is like talking with someone on business speak. Don’t do the better thing because magically something that does not currently exist is better. Its like just think out of the box and actualize horizontal integration and drive synergistic growth. What exactly is the alternative solution you are suggesting.

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                What are you even talking about with federal workiers???

                Well, I thought that when you referred to minimum wage going up, you were referring to biden’s executive order to raise the minimum wage for federal workers and expecting me to be happy with it. And since one person’s wages went up, fuck everyone else forever. You don’t care. Incrementalism means “do as little as possible to be able to claim you didn’t do absolutely nothing and order your critics to be happy with it.”

                You were talking minimum wage which at one point did not exist and has gone up regularly although not enough.

                Your position is “be glad you even have a minimum wage.” That wasn’t a question. You’re fucking right it hasn’t gone up enough. And it was the incrementalists you’re simping for that made certain it didn’t go up enough. Which was my whole point. When we give democrats majorities, incrementalists stand in the way of necessary progress. Progress they promised, but have absolutely no intention of ever implementing. They always find some procedural bullshit to throw in their own way and unconvincingly pretend that they’re disappointed. Or not. Sinema’s gleeful thumbs down remains the party’s clearest most enduring message to the working class.

                But incrementalists can be proactive and industrious when it’s something they want to do, and they’re willing to violate actual law to do so. When there’s Palestinian hospitals that haven’t been properly introduced to American-made munitions, they leap into action, law be damned.

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                  1 hour ago

                  Still waiting for the alternative to making things better as you can which you call incrementalism. Speak to me of the great victories of your alternative. I have had many a back and forth with your type and its all complaints and hot air. Having republicans run everything is not the way to go.

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                    46 minutes ago

                    Still waiting for the alternative to making things better as you can which you call incrementalism.

                    Actually using the majorities we give them to do the things they ran on.

                    Speak to me of the great victories of your alternative.

                    The great victories of incrementalism are all preventing any victory by progressives. Congratulations on your victories over working people and living Palestinians.