Jimmy was hired to tell jokes and that’s what he did. It’s donny who started the insults. Jimmy did nothing but react to donny’s craziness like decent people do.

People seem to forget that the “Cancel” wave of the '10s mostly gave birth to a bunch of big ticket comedy specials titled “Can’t Shut Me Up” and “The Snowflake Melting Tour”.

Kimmel’s only going to get louder for all of this.

Seriously, people just need to have a backbone.

Kimmel already has “fuck you” money and has proven he can write well enough to sit in any writers room in Hollywood. He can ride off into the sunset and fund some production company and do just fine and say whatever he wants.

If we lose the 1st amendment we will lose everything because our very knowledge that those other two issues exist is because of our constitution.

Which is why no country outside the USA has free speech, truth, or media that is in any way connected to reality. We’re all just bumbling around in the epistemological darkness, relying on the USA for information about our own countries, wishing we had a first amendment too so we had a media landscape.

Alternative perspective: truth, freedom, and communication are inherent to the human existence. They exist outside the US constitution. If your government decides to rip up all your laws, it won’t suddenly be ok to run amok murdering and stealing (which is why there are countries outside the USA where the citizens survive).

A lot of Americans seem to have a kind of cargo cult idea of human rights and laws. They do not exist because they are written in the constitution. The constitution has no value outside the rights it contains, and the antique paper. It does not create or contain free speech, it doesn’t even guarantee it, it merely documents a broad consensus of values.

I personally think a lot of Americans would understand a lot more about the world, and their own country, if they realised that. Your constitution doesn’t give you anything, any more than a shopping list has nutritional value or an inventory guarantees your furniture.

TLDR: I don’t know if it’s a phrasing thing or an actual misconception among Americans, but saying the first amendment ‘gives you’ free speech is a really dangerous mindset. It’s like saying, the first rule in my instance on Lemmy is ‘don’t be a dick’ so if they delete that rule or, God forbid, the instance / Lemmy gets shut down, the entire world will just run around being dicks. No.

You should behave in moral ways because it’s the right thing to do, not because it’s written down. Anybody who stops obeying a repealed law didn’t want to obey it in the first place. The vast majority of the world is out there not being dicks, despite not being part of your online instance. You are human, you have rights and responsibilities as a human, not just as an American. You do not have rights because of the constitution: the constitution is only valid because, and as long as, the citizens agree with what it says.

(Also you guys have been killing people for saying things like ‘I kinda think black people deserve rights’ and ‘hey guys look at this pharma company’s accounts’, so it shouldn’t really be a surprise that your constitution isn’t a magic force amulet against all wrong. It’s an old terms and conditions document that’s not always enforced)

if we lose the 1st amendment

It’s not something that is won or lost. It’s a policy that is implemented or not.

This administration is unequivocally refusing to implement 1st amendment rights (like, all of them, not just speech). That doesn’t change until the people running the county change. But it also doesn’t mean the 1A is “gone”. It’s still right where it always was.

I don’t know if I’d call Kimmel’s situation “privation”.

Disney is a massive machine always crunching numbers and making predictions, it doesn’t matter what short-term dips and peaks and whatever political points they score for either side, they have calculated their margins out to like, the year 2300.

I thought Andor had been wrapped up.

I mean, I’m pretty sure that Disney makes at least a little money outside the USA. I’m willing to bet that there are at least 2 other countries whose subscribers won’t all cancel their subscriptions because the American political shitshow has touched upon a person they’ve never heard of (source: I’m in an English speaking country where people have Disney+ and watch Disney films and as far as I know, virtually nobody has heard of this guy and virtually everybody has exhausted their supply of ‘wtf is the USA doing, surely they can’t get away with that’ for the year).

So unless you honestly think that the entire American user base is going to cancel - which seems wildly unlikely, given the political scene - AND that the number of Americans with subscriptions is at least equal to the number of subscribers outside the USA, then sorry bud, you aren’t going to defeat fascism by pausing your Disney+ subscription for a few months.

It’s a great start, and I personally think it’s healthy to ethically curate one’s free time where possible, but when October rolls around and Disney is still solvent, don’t throw up your hands and say you gave it your best shot but the fight is clearly hopeless. You guys have let your corporations run unchecked for decades, if you want them to suddenly find a moral compass you need to settle in for a long game.

A company that size makes predictions in terms of years and decades, this is barely going to be a margin-note in their long term plans.

I am shocked how much people underestimate huge organizations.

If you want this to actually surprise them, we need to do something that will actually surprise them, like not get bored with the entire story in 4 months time.

spoiler: everyone is going to get bored within weeks.

That’s the thing that actively pisses me off the most. The right has been fucking monsters when it comes to their reactions to violence like that. Absolute, psychopathic, proudly hypocritical monsters, willing to joke about an elderly man being assaulted in his home because he happened to be the husband of a Democrat. And silence when asked about whether urging their sick followers to commit violence might be leading their sick followers to commit violence.

And the murders that took place in Minnesota a few months ago? Jokes and silence there, too.

But a late-night comedian says something that isn’t even disrespectful or in any way condones violence, just acknowledges the kind of person Kirk was… and they lose their fucking minds.

Always remember this, folks: It’s all performative. They don’t actually care. They know Kimmel didn’t say a goddamn thing that could be interpreted as support for violence. They know.

And it came from the highest level - Orange Jesus cracked some “jokes” about it. So did his son.

I live in a red state. I’m constantly surrounded by pro-slavery confederate flags, open threats of violence in the form of punisher and 2A bumper stickers, and then direct calls for violence against all of “the left”.

I’ve never considered calling their employers just to see which ones are okay with terroristic threats.

I thought the Southern Switch happened in the 60’s with Barry Goldwater?

Fun fact: the countries to the north end east of the USA have a king, the countries to the south and west used to have a king and an emperor (respectively).

You’ll notice that none of them are overrun with tyrants.

In fact, most of the English speaking world shares a king, and many, many countries have a royal family who have bumbled along happily for centuries.

We think it’s deeply weird when one world leader is doing his very best to piss off everyone except Russia, deliberately destabilising the environment, the global media, all the agreements that every other country is working together on, and his citizens are split between those who support him and those who keep saying ‘this reminds me of how much I hate kings. No offense to the foundational identities of all our neighbours except Russia, but I can’t imagine sinking so low as to tolerate a king’.

Like, dude, watch your own kids before you bitch about everyone else’s. How does someone train an entire nation so well that they express displeasure at the flagrant atrocities of their president and say ‘fuck other countries and their shitty systems’.

It’s honestly like living next to someone who keeps playing their music too loud and throwing rubbish into your garden and every now and again he stands on your garden yelling about how much he hates your begonias. It wouldn’t be so bad if it was a sensible criticism, or something political, but it’s so random you waste a surprising amount of energy being offended on behalf of your begonias before realising, every time, that neither of you probably specifically care about the begonias. It’s the shouting.