They treat us like the naive children we behave like.
Check
Teaching with Disney edited by Julie C. Garlen and Jennifer A. Sandlin, 2016 (including but not limited to “Teaching Disney Critically in the Age of Perpetual Consumption”)
and
The Mouse that Roared, Disney and the End of Innocence by Henry A. Giroux and Grace Pollock, 2010
but the Tl;DR is that their only definition of “heroes” is whatever might sell anything and aligned with the ideology of a “founder” that arguably didn’t draw the mouse itself.
Wakanda is a monarchist enthnostate that tortures outsiders and even shows outright hostility to those helping them. Their leadership is determined by the most violent among them. And this society is presented a utopia.
I fucking hate these movies.
I tried watching the animated show recently, and its basically Wakanda throughout history stealing vibranium from other civilisations because they feel entitled to complete control over the element, usually with large amounts of colateral damage and theft of deeply important cultural artifacts in the process. I assume there’s some alegory I’m missing but they just come off as assholes.
Are they bad guys in that?
The country is threatened by a villainous black liberation agitator and saved with the help of the CIA.
They might as well have had Abdel Fattah El-Sisi play the lead role.
Grace Kelly said something similar years ago: “Hollywood amuses me. Holier-than-thou for the public and unholier-than-the-devil in reality.”. We have all known this for decades. The sleazy hollywood rapist was a thing long before Harvey was outed. They all knew, and yet they all kept their mouths shut.
This is why its always been so perplexing to me that so much of society looks to hollywood for its morality lessons.
Someone post the astronaut meme
🌎 👨🚀 🔫 👩🚀
Well the funny part is that most of the “heroes” they sell are not really heroes, just defenders of a status quo america that never really existed
See also: “Marvel Defenders of The Status Quo” (2022-06-22) by Pop Culture Detective.
Zemo did nothing wrong.
TBH their “heroes” are pretty fascist too. Princes, princesses, etc. It’s a total shitshow in terms of class.
And the ones who are not are almost all solders and cops. With two exceptions that I can think of, Spiderman who might as well be rich do to his friendships and connections and antman who they treated like shit.
It reminds me of a meme I recently saw of a preacher in front of a bunch of Indians, and he says “Before we came, you worshipped the SUN!”
And one of the Indians says “Dude, the sun is real.”
He has a point. It’s ironic that the only piece of “evidence” most religions have is a book written by humans.
Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever… At least you can point and say, there it is.
But Christianity is normal and not crazy at all, and believing in Ra is the crazy thing… Sure. Yeah.
I think it’s all nuts. But whatever.
the only piece of “evidence” most religions have is a book written by humans.
Evangelism typically involves more than just a book. There’s inevitably some amount of mysticism - faith healing, weather events that turn the tide of a pitched battle, communing with the dead, miraculous survival stories, straight up stage magic.
Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever… At least you can point and say, there it is.
There’s inevitably some kind of reverse causation in these faiths. Humans are constantly asserting they can manipulate the heavens with ritual and sacrifice.
I’ve been avoiding Disney (Florida including Disney), since Ron DeSantis tried to ban words “change” and “climate”.
I won’t change this until the climate is right.
Why did you do it stan?
“The money, of couse.”
#corporatelife
I have been thinking the superhero movies were having many fascist themes themselves. And their popularity was helped by a growing authoritarian movement in the USA.
The actual comics do not have many of the above issues, the movies reinforced certain themes.
I say this as someone who liked the comic books for many decades
I pissed off a lot of, supposedly left leaning, comic book fans when I told them I thought Tony Stark had a good point that the super heroes in the MCU needed to be regulated. They were doing too much investigating and acting on their own without any oversight to not make people nervous. Same with Justice League Unlimited.
At least with Superman(2025), the hero’s intervention in world affairs was just a scaled up Bystander Effect.
I was thinking something else, like
The Boys Showrunner, Eric Kripke, says the superhero ultimately exists to protect the status quo, to keep things as they are or once were during more nostalgic times, while the supervillain seeks change. A superhero is pro-establishment, working to uphold the system, and viewers can be trained to believe some exceptional being will fix everything.
The earlier superhero movies made in the USA helped support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and there were strategies and meetings to deliberately do just that.
I think the later Marvel movies drifted away from typecasting the villains and made the plots less American centric. But it did not loose the parallels to the popular movies in Germany made in the late 30’s.
Yeah it’s not great the way supers tend to validate vigilantism. Ultimately you can have rule of law or some form of tyranny. There are middle grounds, but those are the options. Also the hero’s journey literary paradigm has regressive aspects. 🤓
I like the comic where Batman beats up a racist cop
superhero movies were having many fascist themes themselves.
you can have rule of law or some form of tyranny
Yeah like that one!
But Disney has also been tearing down the imaginary heroes with movies like Captain America Civil War and The Last Jedi.
JK Rowling wrote a whole book series about how bullying is a horrible and self-perpetuating cycle, and now spends most of her time bullying a marginalised group
JK Rowling
No, Joanne!
I.e., I understand she greatly prefers (absolutely detests) being addressed that way. :D
I don’t know about that, she is being viciously attacked for having opinions that fall outside of the mainstream and is defending herself. Which is not the same as what the Republicans are doing.
She’s literally been denying the Holocaust killed trans people. She funded a court case that made it so that were I live in the UK, it would be illegal for me to piss in any public restroom.
That’s like saying David Irving was “viciously attacked for having opinions out of the mainstream.”
She is not the originator of those attacks. She joined on to those because she was attacked herself about her opinions. You should be focusing on the originator of those attacks.
She’s bringing her opinions to parliament and using them to kill people
What do you mean?
That is a good picture, I like that, I do not see how it fits here. Still is great though.
How do I hire you to provide this as a 24/7 service.
Directly financing anti trans political movements
No.
Other people’s right to exist is not just “an opinion outside of the mainstream”, and she is not just quietly “having” these opinions.
Delete your post and don’t make anything like it again. Zero fucking tolerance for Nazis.
Edit: wait I just had a look and this is a 5-day old troll account posting nazi shit all over Lemmy. Reporting and blocking
No. You guys spend so much time and energy attacking any of your allies that do not align with you on every issue that you end up throwing them into the arms of the far right.
Meanwhile the ones actually sponsoring these attacks on the trans don’t give a shit when you attack them do they?
It’s only people on the left that actually care and are forced to go on the defensive from you.
Seriously you should delete your post. Cuz you are a big part of the problem here. JK Rowling is entitled to her own opinion and if you guys did not spend every waking moment attacking her for it she would not be talking about it all the time.
You wonder why the Republicans get so much play off of talking about the wolf mob? Because we are all associated with you.
Rowling likes to hang out with Nazis because they agree on trans rights and that’s more important to her than anything else
“Alternative Facts” and opinions that do not correlate with reality (like the “opinion” that trans people or any other vulnerable group are in any way lesser beings or do not have the right to exist) are either mental derangement or straight up lies. and these lies are poisonous for communities and lead to to prejudice and violence, so they have to be called out and stopped whenever possible.
Just like yours.
If you knew so much, how come you lost the fight for a trans rights? Something you are doing isn’t working. I think it is your spending all your energy attacking people that are naturally our allies for not conforming while the ones that need to be attacked are not. The Charlie Kirk is left on molested, but the JK Rowling who says she does not believe trans women or women gets unrelented hatred.
Or we could look at someone who points that out to you, would you attack for hate. You guys just lob ad hominem attackswith no respect to how accurate they are. That they put the person on the defensive is the point. Also though, if the right was popular in your circles, you would be doing all this from the right wing point of view, this is an excuse for you to Lynch someone online isn’t it? That is why everybody hates the so-called woke mob, that’s you!
What are you talking about? Cause it really sounds a lot like you are just full of shit.
You’re a moron
Well you are did caricature of the work mob that has allowed the Republicans to seize absolute power. So maybe worry about your own fucking problems.
Her opinions are old school mainstream. She’s against the culture shift and if she existed decades ago, she’s be more openly racist rather then transphobic.
“Kingsley Shacklebolt” and “Cho Chang”…
Seamus Finnigan being proficient in blowing shit up is another one that is nuts in retrospect.
Lol bro wtf
Nobody that starts to reply with WTF and LOL ever makes it worthwhile point.
I would normally agree with that, but in this case it’s really the only appropriate response. Did you even see the absolute idiocy khaleer was responding to? I mean, WTF, LOL.
Idiots will think that non idiotic things are idiotic I would add.
Such as that you guys are attacking people that will go on the defensive, that are not part of the actual problem, and ignore the people that are the actual problem.
In doing so you give the whole movement of bad name. That is the real WTF here, and it is ammunition for the far right.
Who gives a fuck if JK Rowling has a less than enlightened view on trans people? Like other than a passing fuck you on that JK rowling, is that what’s really important here?
Years now you guys have been just piling on, single-mindedly. Meanwhile you got this Kirk dick face on full-throated attacks on trans people, where are you on that huh? He doesn’t go on the defensive so you don’t attack him.
Who gives a fuck if JK Rowling has a less than enlightened view on trans people? Like other than a passing fuck you on that JK rowling, is that what’s really important here?
If money and fame didn’t equate political influence, then yeah, no-one would give a fuck about her personal opinions.
As it is though, she’s a billionaire who has helped fund and push through anti-trans (bathroom) legislation in the UK.
JK Rowling backs protest over Scottish gender bill
I read her posts about the issue and didn’t find them in and of themselves that problematic if that was just some person’s view. But, again, she’s an influential billionaire who wants to push through laws which actively endanger trans people.
I still like Harry Potter though, but I’m not gonna fund it in any way. And haven’t, for like 20 years.
I do not know all the ins and outs, I do know she also opposed Scotland going for Independence which I think was a big mistake for them not to do. She obviously does not have the best opinions or analysis. Still though I think the reaction to her has been outsized to the amount of influence she would have had if not for being constantly attacked.
These hedge fund douchebags quietly fund this stuff and cause way more damage than she does without mention for instance.
There are no shortage of villains, and she is rather small potatoes. Also though it throws people into the arms of the far right over attacking a popular persona. She would not be meeting with Far Right figures or sponsoring legislation if not for an outsized vicious attack against her shitty opinions.
k lol
I’ve had a couple friends sprout bs like this.
What I’ve done with them is I ask them to check her twitter out with me. If more than 7 of her most recent 10 tweets at any time aren’t anti trans bs I’ll agree with them that she’s defending herself.
I’m gonna invite you to whenever you see this message go on her twitter and count. Then come back and tell me if she’s just defending herself or if she made it a huge part of her personality hating a minority.
Seeing as we lost the public discussion maybe something isn’t working here.
She is not defending herself. She is attacking. She is funding hate groups with money.
Fuck Joanne and her stupid wizard world. It’s all built on ideas of imperialism apologia anyway
Superheros also just preach that you have to maintain the status quo, never tackle the root of the problem, just violently attack the symptoms and that only a small few special people can save you, so everybody else just has to get out of the way and cheer.
Iron Man is about Iron Man realising that selling weapons is bad
And then giving an unbelievably hangout weapons system to some kid as a gift.
Also saying you need to be a rich prick to get anything done
V for Vendetta
Yeah the exception that proves the rule but still, anarchy-man is cool
Yeah, like Mulan showing that girls can also fight or Merida showing that girls have an opinion of their own.
No more like Mike Wazowski showing all Monsters that laughing is better than screaming. Or Lilo befriending an alien weapon. Or Captain Jack Sparr-oh…
Remember, we are talking about Disney heroes and A LOT of them question the status quo (not all, but a lot).
While this is a good narrative to make about Disney if we want to hate on them, it’s not true though.
The Disney movies for kids is almost all about not maintaining status quo and actually challenge it. Or being different than anyone else
Frozen and Moana are recent examples. Pirates of Caribbean for an older audience. There’s many more.
Disney kids movies aren’t about super heroes usually. But even Lion King is how you can’t escape adult responsibilities and have to continue the cycle.
You forgot the peasants cheering the birth of their new predator
What I see from farmers and the current usa president in my feed, that part was actually damn close to the truth.
Also the very much incest.
That sounds like the villains’ motive in My Hero Academia. A good series about superheroes, and what it means to be a hero. And what it means for those who aren’t qualified to work as heroes but do, or try to do heroic things (the fourth season addresses this, as will the upcoming final season (it was in the manga, which is complete), and the Vigilantes spinoff directly covers it.
You’re talking about Disney movies. Intended for children. They’re not gonna go shoot someone in the head because they’re responsible for denied health insurance.
Why are you expecting kids movies to be an accurate intricate commentary of society in the first place?
It’s movies, for kids. Most people grow out of that. But some keep being obsessed with “superheroes”
Why are you expecting kids movies to be an accurate intricate commentary of society in the first place?
Because what kids watch will influence their sense of morality
I like Black Adam, he kills colonisers
