In the caption of the Instagram post, he wrote, “An old white woman got on the train and immediately pointed at me and told me to correct how I was sitting. I refused, so she went to the conductor and complained. The conductor called the police and stopped the train,” he said.
O’Keefe also says in the caption that the friend of the woman who called the police had said to him, “You’re not the minority anymore.”
A separate video about the incident has been uploaded by the user, Nalae, on TikTok, where it has quickly gone viral, having been viewed over 160,000 times as of reporting.
They said I was disturbing the peace by not leaving the train. They pulled me off the train and arrested me without even talking to the Karen who reported the one black person on the train. On the platform, the police detained me and interrogated me. Only black folks stayed nearby and recorded the arrest. When I demanded a lawyer and reminded them they didn’t even take a statement from the woman who complained they eventually released me. This country is growing more psycho by the day. What will you do about it?"
So he was sitting improperly? They didn’t say exactly why it was ‘improper’ to begin with?
He did it while black. That’s clearly an arrestable offense.
Sitting? While black? That’s a paddlin’.
sitting menacingly, -COPs
He’s sitting right towards us!
After reading that headline, for a second I was wondering how Anton Checkov had come alive again and was on a train.
Conveniently, the officer body cam footage is “not available”. Absolutely insane they are making it sound like it’s his fault the train is delayed.
I don’t like the headline. He has a name, you know, and it’s Alex O’keefe.
The headline makes it sound like he did something wrong too. Instead he was harassed because of a Karen
the final form of a karen, an old/ elderly white lady.
Yeah, total bullshit.
Seemed odd about his own testimony, as quoted in this article, that he keeps avoiding to mention HOW he was sitting and whether he complied when told to stop it. Makes me picture one of these assholes who put their dirty shoes on a second seat in a full train.
His odd avoidance of the core of the issue made me search for other sources. Not surprising that a quick search supports most of this. Also, he refused to stop doing that, which he also does not deny as far as the quotes from this article go.
Then, he tries to use his celebrity status to order cops to harass an elderly woman, whose statement is irrelevant because apparently there are plenty of witnesses, including the train personnel and his own confession.
Then, he seriously tries to pull the race card.
And this is the hero of Lemmy?
Hat off the elderly woman and the police, though! Wish this kind of justice would happen when I’m on the train.
This has become a cesspool of disinformation. All the out of context Kirk quotes from the past few days (was still somewhere between nonsense and disgusting in context, but an entirely different statement), and another post claims that every day 0.25 % of the US population gets shot, and this lie somehow supports the trans agenda.
Disclaimer: Judging the situation as presented in available articles, as I don’t know what really happened.
Thanks for bringing Kirk into this. Was most def needed.
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You think a person should be harassed and arrested if they sit in public transit in a way someone doesn’t approve of?
If someone takes off their shoes, I should feel justified in calling the cops and subjecting them to police custody?
he refused to stop doing that
Doing what? You made an assumption about how he was sitting and decided it has heinous enough to havw police sicc’ed on him.
This better be some well-crafted bait because I bit.
whether he complied when told to stop it.
He clearly says he did not comply.
OTOH, I’m glad to see some magas showing up at Lemmy actually, maybe we can curb the infighting a bit.
I’m trying to envision a scenario that would warrant the arrest and I just can’t. Maybe you can contrive one for us. Loud music or bare feet, and I’m all for it; to the gallows. But sitting wrong? What?
Luckily he is American. If he was a legal migrant having been booked would be considered a visa offense and he could be sent to a concentration camp.
Luckily he is
Americanfamous.The usual story here for Americans is that they get arrested for resisting arrest and assulting a police officer and then get sentences to 10+ years in the local gulag.
Immigrants instead get sent to the camps for deportation.
He’s well enough known, there were enough cameras and he’s media/white american savvy enough to avoid the worst outcomes.
wouldnt he still be “deported” to africa, because of his skin color, potentially.
Without due process, even that doesn’t matter.
He will just be labeled “antifa” now, without proof. This is how fascism usually works.
I’m sick of the police getting involved and actually acting when no explicit law has been violated. If a law isn’t violated, they should never ever put their hands on a citizen in any way. Detaining someone without actually arresting them should result in immediate firing of the police. If you can’t press charges, you shouldn’t act.
But then how could they arrest you for resisting arrest?
You watch the video? - They said to him stop resisting even though they hadn’t placed him under arrest. Cops abuse their power all the time. I am saying they have no right to handcuff you or even touch you or order you off a train unless you committed an actual crime that they can place you under arrest for. You shouldn’t be forced to leave a train like this if you haven’t broken any kind of standing law.
The police are now trained to say “stop resisting” for their body cameras, which provides the pretext for additional charges. They throw as many charges as they possibly can hoping one or two stick if it gets plead down.
I haven’t watched the video but I totally agree that it’s inappropriate to order him off the train in this instance. They can conduct their criminal investigation right there. The fact that these incidents are allowed to get to the police is the frightening part; that people who reported him need to go to jail, and the conductor should be at a minimum investigated.
they frame evidence all the time, either by making it up, or trying to use it as an excuse to escalate. i suspect the latter.
That’d require them to be educated about the law but it seems awfully convenient to keep them ignorant of it.
So cops shouldnt be called when drunks and racists on planes get start yelling and delaying flights?
Like that Burger King guy? Cops just shouldn’t have been called? Do Americans just not understand egalitarianism any more? You’re all deranged.
Everyone gets the same rules, transport companies can kick you off, or get the police to detain-you-off the plane/train.
There’s literally thousands of videos of people being thrown of public transport, it happens EVERYDAY whenever anyone refuses to obey the rules.
Fucken, Americans are mentally ill, I swear. This shit is obvious in the rest of the world.
Drunk and Disorderly conduct is a crime. I didn’t say cops can’t be called - I said unless they are arresting you to charge you with a crime they shouldn’t be able to detain you, remove you from a train, or claim you are resisting. This ensures they are only intervening when an actual crime was committed. It puts them in a position to have to defend their initial arrest in court and not just harass people and get away with it because they didn’t technically arrest them - which is the case here. Assuming from your statement you aren’t from America so you don’t know how much police harass people outside of actual arrests here. They will ask you to comply without an arrest to whatever unreasonable demand they make. Then, if you don’t comply with something unreasonable, they will claim you were resisting, and then charge you with resisting. It’s designed to create a charge where there was none to begin with. Police do that all the time over here, especially to minorities.
Not what happened here though. He was taken off the train, released and told to get the next train.
That’s what they’re saying. They’re saying that the police should need more than just the bare minimum investigation of a potential crime to remove you from transit. You’re saying that he was released as if the only two options were not taking him off the train and jailing him indefinitely.
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The sad part is this happens all the time for non-famous people of color and the outcomes are worse. Often the cops will throw them in jail for “resisting” or some other made up bullshit charge. His fame and the cameras saved him from likely worse outcomes.
“You’re not the minority anymore.”
Jesus fucking Christ.
This says so much. They think “minority” means a person who gets special treatment. That’s how fucking deluded they’ve become.
Its a tale as old as time that they’d strip protections against racism, implement racist laws, and then pretend as if slavery was so long ago that it didn’t matter anymore. It was literally happening not a decade after the Civil War ended
That… explains so much. Racists are fucking jealous that black people get to be oppressed??? Is it like some martyrdom by proxy fuckedupedness?
on reddit, people said racist white people like that are afraid they do the same thing to them, of how they persecuted the blacks, so they act extra “im not racist, your being racist for calling out my race”. they also try to deflect white privilege as a non-existential issue.
Sorta. I was raised with this bullshit, so I can see the distortion of reality. I’m still unpacking all this in therapy myself, because it’s a whole worldview.
First off, they’re woefully uneducated about history. My high school in Oklahoma briefly touched on the Civil Rights Movement and tried to pass it off as something that was over and done. Rosa Parks got arrested, the white people were shocked that this could happen, they had a sit-in party at a milkshake stand (they didn’t talk about any of the pushback that got), MLK did his speech and now everything is fine for black people, no more institutional racism, literally being taught in schools. Now, combine that with your own needs not being met, and the talking heads/politicans say that you’re not getting the aid you need because it’s going towards making hurt feelings better. There’s only so much money in the coffers, and you gotta be really hard up if you’re white, but it’s easy to get if you’re black.
There’s also a heavy religious framing about ancestral guilt. Like, if God can make life suck for everybody because Eve ate an apple, and libs are trying to play god, it follows to reason they’d want to make your life suck for the sins of your great-great-great grandparents. It’s never outright stated, but if you listen to enough sermons, the puzzle fills in. Like, again, they think the civil rights movement fixed everything, so they think white people have atoned for their transgressions, but the pastor says libs are in consort with satan and can’t forgive like jesus, so that’s why they want white people to suffer.
Edit: I want to make it clear that I do not personally believe any of that, it’s just what I was taught as a kid.
I appreciate you identifying where in the GOP’s propaganda they lead young people astray.
People like you doing a retrospective autobiopsy via therapy can help those of growing up in other contexts protect young people from propaganda, and distribute to them the truth.
Speak your truth! It’s only becoming more important as time goes on in this increasingly fascistic world.
My favorite part of this is the only people making the ignorant racist lives suck are the Republicans taking everything not the left asking them to be tolerant…
They honestly think that black people and minorities have it on easy street.
thats because they are afraid of the power and riches they accumulated through subjugating minorities, will be used against them in retribution, so they go the extra mile , with the help aristocrats/oligarchs to keep the status quo. also white people are extra defensive when discussing racism as well. even if they arnt outwardly racist(closeted racist), i witness how they act around people that are not white , especially when they either look or approach near them.
during covid, like in the midst of it a older white lady dint like i was getting on the train the same time i was, she said it was not nice to go before “an older lady”, i muttered bitch under my breath, you would do that to another white man or lady, but you would do that to a POC, because you will get immediate clapback from a white person over a POC. AS FAR as covid was concerned she wasnt masked, or properly masked. the entrance to train was large enough where 2 people can get on the same time.
Yep. It’s like a child fighting for the attention of an abusive parent.
They should be made to understood what it means to be a minority if they want that status.
Moreover, throw them in jail legitimately, since they misused the justice system.
Cops are racists.
This just after a lynching happened in Jacksonville, Mississippi.
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Does the idea of a lynching happening in the US seem particularly far-fetched to you? If so I’d say that you’re extremely uninformed. Also that’s a weirdly specific alternative you’re presenting lol
https://abc11.com/post/javion-magee-21-year-old-truck-driver-found-dead-henderson-north-carolina-death-ruled-suicide-nc-medical-examiners-say/16351111/ Again all you really know at this point is he died and had a rope around his neck, correct? Well at one point that’s all they knew, but then they investigated.
i don’t know about you but if i was a black guy hanging myself in a tree is not how i commit suicide
lmao that this is even being considered
I believe there is a different case they’re referring to. I don’t know the details.
I totally believe he was probably It should be investigated and I support which ever actor or whatever is paying for the second autopsy however it is hard to know if that is even what you are referring to.
Don’t get the downvotes. Are we at the stage where asking for a source is bad now?
no, but when you ask it in such a disingenuous tone, like when someone gives you examples and source, and you keep saying what source? and ignoring the evidence, you’re trolling. this is the same thing on reddit, dont act like that. you are obviously fishing for a reaction.
Oh fuck off. Read the comment again and tell me he’s “just asking for a source”.
If the claim were contentious, ask for a source. If you can find it with a web search in ten seconds, that’s your own laziness (or malice) talking.
i suspect malice, its the same reddit comments of trolls that do this “im looking for a source thats no biased”, when show they keep asking for a source thier bias side with.
I approve of asking for a source. I downvoted because they were a dick about it.
Maybe add a notification for mod deletion?
“You’re not the minority anymore.”
It’s a code for “you’re in Trump America, now.”
its also a codework, its okay for us to say the N-word with the hard R.
It also makes 0 sense while still sounding racist, so definitely trumpian
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Don’t let me catch you slipping now
OK, so, I literally just finished watching Lovecraft Country and I was thinking “this was so tragic, it’s good to know history made things right and this kind of institutionalized racism doesn’t exist anymore, now lets check Lemmy”, oh shit…
If you really think institutionalized racism doesn’t exist anymore, I have some bad news for you…
thats why CRT was so heavily criticized by the right, eventhough its a concept mostly taught in law school, and the right cant really DEFINe what it was, because its such a complex legal term, they dont have a basis to argue on it. CRT trolling lasted like what 6 months, before it was dropped from the media. because CRT exposes the "racism’ by the government/right wingers as an actual definable term, unlike WOKE.
It’s a terrifying time to be alive. I highly recommend people in the left buy guns and train with them.
If it is safe for you to do so.
Some of us can’t. We know who we are.
and train with them
with each other
It helps with organization, which is what actually wins both movements and wars
It’s expensive but worth it.
